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I was under the impression the tipping point might be around adoption of Vulkan in game engines. If enough do that, would that make it simple enough to make a L

I was under the impression the tipping point might be around adoption of Vulkan in game engines. If enough do that, would that make it simple enough to make a Linux/universal build?

pjmlp 3y ago
Most big name game engines already do Vulkan as well, the problem is not 3D APIs, even though that is the only point FOSS folks keep focusing on. Rather how little money the studios get back, versus the amount of additional development effort in supporting GNU/Linux.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  > versus the amount of additional development effort in supporting GNU/Linux The 3D APIs will be a decent chunk of that effort, I thought.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    That is the usual mentality in FOSS circles, the 3D APIs are a tiny portion of what makes a game engine when placed the set of bullet point of what something like Unreal must be able to deliver to a team, while targeting all these backends, "Windows PC, PlayStation 5, PlayStation 4, Xbox Series X, Xbox Series S, Xbox One, Nintendo Switch, macOS, iOS, Android, ARKit, ARCore, OpenXR, SteamVR, Oculus, Linux, and SteamDeck." https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/unreal-engine-5 https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/unreal-engine-5
    - robertlagrant 3y ago
      > That is the usual mentality in FOSS circles I don't know what this means. > "Windows PC, PlayStation 5, PlayStation 4, Xbox Series X, Xbox Series S, Xbox One, Nintendo Switch, macOS, iOS, Android, ARKit, ARCore, OpenXR, SteamVR, Oculus, Linux, and SteamDeck." Yes, I understand backends. Why isn't a new target for graphics that supports some of those backends at least some of that effort reduced?
      - pjmlp 3y ago
        Because writing a plugin for a 3D API is quite basic effort in the grand scheme of what a game engine must provide. Scenegraph, assets management, scripting, fonts, 3D models, shader debugging, a myriad of visualisation algorithms, sound,game devices integration, networking, GUI framework, artists tooling, game designers tooling,... Note that Unreal supports Linux, and even so, very few studios using Unreal bother to sell to Linux users.

I was under the impression the tipping point might be around adoption of Vulkan in game engines. If enough do that, would that make it simple enough to make a Linux/universal build?

pjmlp 3y ago

Most big name game engines already do Vulkan as well, the problem is not 3D APIs, even though that is the only point FOSS folks keep focusing on. Rather how little money the studios get back, versus the amount of additional development effort in supporting GNU/Linux.

robertlagrant 3y ago
> versus the amount of additional development effort in supporting GNU/Linux The 3D APIs will be a decent chunk of that effort, I thought.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  That is the usual mentality in FOSS circles, the 3D APIs are a tiny portion of what makes a game engine when placed the set of bullet point of what something like Unreal must be able to deliver to a team, while targeting all these backends, "Windows PC, PlayStation 5, PlayStation 4, Xbox Series X, Xbox Series S, Xbox One, Nintendo Switch, macOS, iOS, Android, ARKit, ARCore, OpenXR, SteamVR, Oculus, Linux, and SteamDeck." https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/unreal-engine-5 https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/unreal-engine-5
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    > That is the usual mentality in FOSS circles I don't know what this means. > "Windows PC, PlayStation 5, PlayStation 4, Xbox Series X, Xbox Series S, Xbox One, Nintendo Switch, macOS, iOS, Android, ARKit, ARCore, OpenXR, SteamVR, Oculus, Linux, and SteamDeck." Yes, I understand backends. Why isn't a new target for graphics that supports some of those backends at least some of that effort reduced?
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      Because writing a plugin for a 3D API is quite basic effort in the grand scheme of what a game engine must provide. Scenegraph, assets management, scripting, fonts, 3D models, shader debugging, a myriad of visualisation algorithms, sound,game devices integration, networking, GUI framework, artists tooling, game designers tooling,... Note that Unreal supports Linux, and even so, very few studios using Unreal bother to sell to Linux users.