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This should be the final nail in the coffin, if you still haven't ditch Ubuntu this is a good reason now.

toasted-subs 3y ago
Unfortunately all Linux distributions seem to have issues for me. I just want to install something and have it work. Ubuntu doesn't like my 4tb drives and the Nvidia driver support is horrible for fedora. Less people using Linux makes it more and more difficult to find helpful tutorials and guides. Kind of sad.
- jraph 3y ago
  > Ubuntu doesn't like my 4tb drives In which ways?
- voxadam 3y ago
  > Ubuntu doesn't like my 4tb drives Are you still running a 32-bit kernel in 2024? > Nvidia driver support is horrible for fedora If RPM Fusion isn't up to your standards your problem is with Nvidia, not Fedora, the Linux kernel, or Linux in general.
  - toasted-subs 3y ago
    Definitely not pointing fingers (I'd take the stance of Linus in giving nVidia the middle finger). Just from the point of a consumer trying to get work done on my machine and deliver things in a reasonable time frame. I expect to be able to flash a USB, plug it into my computer and have things work. The default settings for installing Ubuntu do not let you use 4tb drives without custom partitions, not ideal. And RPM Fusion straight up doesn't work with fedora, have to boot into a cli and spend a few days trying to get the closed source drivers to work with no success.
    - doubled112 3y ago
      https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA?highlight=%28%5CbCategoryHowto%5Cb%29#Current_GeForce.2FQuadro.2FTesla https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA?highlight=%28%5CbCategory... I've generally had success with the RPM Fusion instructions when installing Nvidia drivers. One part that is strange is that the kmod gets built in the background, and you don't really know if it is still building except by watching the process/logs. If you reboot immediately after install, sometimes you'll break it. Not a great experience by any means.
    - lexicality 3y ago
      I just installed ubuntu on a computer with 1 2TB NVME drive and 2 4TB SSDs in it and had absolutely 0 problems. One ext4 partition for each of the 4TB SSDs.
- edward28 3y ago
  Did you format the drives as mbr and not gpt?
UnlockedSecrets 3y ago
Because you can't download the source code in a format intended to be written to a DVD, It's time to abandon the entire operating system???
jraph 3y ago
Why? Have you ever used the source ISOs? They don't seem to be a very practical way of working with the sources, as opposed to downloading the source packages from the online repositories. I don't like what Ubuntu have become but this does not look like a good reason for trashing it.
- kissgyorgy 3y ago
  At a previous company, we developer our own custom OS on top of Ubuntu [1], and patched a lot of components. I think getting the sources was the first step building our final product, so at a first glance, this is closing the doors making that (easily) possible. [1]: https://github.com/balabit-deps https://github.com/balabit-deps
  - aardvark179 3y ago
    I can't remember precisely what is on the source ISOs, but if you are building a custom version of Debian you likely want the upstream package source plus the Debian changes to that (from things like dgit if the package maintainer uses it). Since these source ISOs didn't contain things like the snap packages you'd need other things anyway to start making a downstream distribution.
  - bjord 3y ago
    Did you read the article? > The Ubuntu sources will remain available and this isn't anything about closing off that, but rather whether the merits and ongoing maintenance burden is worth it for assembling source ISOs.
  - ssl-3 3y ago
    Were you getting your sources from pre-packaged Ubuntu ISO images, though? Because source code ISOs are the only thing that is proposed to be going away. They're going to continue to distribute package sources the usual way, which is with apt.
ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
This is a poor reason to ditch Ubuntu as almost no-one uses the source ISOs. The sources are still available online - just not as however many ISOs that are needed (9?). I've been using Ubuntu at home and work for many years as it's at a convenient point between bleeding edge (like Arch) and slow and stable (Debian), plus due to the large user base there's a lot of information on fixing issues and configuration instructions. However, I'm not a fan of snaps as they seem to cause more issues than they solve. (One of the reasons that they're binning the source ISOs is because they don't currently include source for the snap packages, so rather than spend time fixing that for a download that very few people use, they're just stopping producing them). Since they moved to using snap for Firefox, I've had a few instances where Firefox wouldn't start. There's also issues with how Firefox interracts with the OS and so some extensions don't work properly. But probably the most annoying is that you have to close a snap package for it to be updated! So, I generally have Signal and Firefox running all the time, and now I keep getting messages about having to close them so that the snap package can be updated - it reminds me of running Windows. TLDR; ditch Ubuntu because of SNAPs, not because they're stopping the source ISOs that you never used anyway.
- Symbiote 3y ago
  To install Firefox using apt: sudo snap remove firefox echo 'Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins:: "LP-PPA-mozillateam:${distro_codename}";' | sudo tee /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/51unattended-upgrades-firefox sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/ppa sudo apt install firefox And https://signal.org/download/linux/ https://signal.org/download/linux/ for Signal.
  - ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
    Thanks. I'm currently sticking with using the Snap packages so that I can evaluate how well they work and the level of issues, but if they annoy me enough then I might well move back to standard packages.

Unfortunately all Linux distributions seem to have issues for me. I just want to install something and have it work. Ubuntu doesn't like my 4tb drives and the Nvidia driver support is horrible for fedora. Less people using Linux makes it more and more difficult to find helpful tutorials and guides. Kind of sad.

jraph 3y ago
> Ubuntu doesn't like my 4tb drives In which ways?
voxadam 3y ago
> Ubuntu doesn't like my 4tb drives Are you still running a 32-bit kernel in 2024? > Nvidia driver support is horrible for fedora If RPM Fusion isn't up to your standards your problem is with Nvidia, not Fedora, the Linux kernel, or Linux in general.
- toasted-subs 3y ago
  Definitely not pointing fingers (I'd take the stance of Linus in giving nVidia the middle finger). Just from the point of a consumer trying to get work done on my machine and deliver things in a reasonable time frame. I expect to be able to flash a USB, plug it into my computer and have things work. The default settings for installing Ubuntu do not let you use 4tb drives without custom partitions, not ideal. And RPM Fusion straight up doesn't work with fedora, have to boot into a cli and spend a few days trying to get the closed source drivers to work with no success.
  - doubled112 3y ago
    https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA?highlight=%28%5CbCategoryHowto%5Cb%29#Current_GeForce.2FQuadro.2FTesla https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA?highlight=%28%5CbCategory... I've generally had success with the RPM Fusion instructions when installing Nvidia drivers. One part that is strange is that the kmod gets built in the background, and you don't really know if it is still building except by watching the process/logs. If you reboot immediately after install, sometimes you'll break it. Not a great experience by any means.
  - lexicality 3y ago
    I just installed ubuntu on a computer with 1 2TB NVME drive and 2 4TB SSDs in it and had absolutely 0 problems. One ext4 partition for each of the 4TB SSDs.
edward28 3y ago
Did you format the drives as mbr and not gpt?

UnlockedSecrets 3y ago

Because you can't download the source code in a format intended to be written to a DVD, It's time to abandon the entire operating system???

jraph 3y ago

Why? Have you ever used the source ISOs? They don't seem to be a very practical way of working with the sources, as opposed to downloading the source packages from the online repositories. I don't like what Ubuntu have become but this does not look like a good reason for trashing it.

kissgyorgy 3y ago
At a previous company, we developer our own custom OS on top of Ubuntu [1], and patched a lot of components. I think getting the sources was the first step building our final product, so at a first glance, this is closing the doors making that (easily) possible. [1]: https://github.com/balabit-deps https://github.com/balabit-deps
- aardvark179 3y ago
  I can't remember precisely what is on the source ISOs, but if you are building a custom version of Debian you likely want the upstream package source plus the Debian changes to that (from things like dgit if the package maintainer uses it). Since these source ISOs didn't contain things like the snap packages you'd need other things anyway to start making a downstream distribution.
- bjord 3y ago
  Did you read the article? > The Ubuntu sources will remain available and this isn't anything about closing off that, but rather whether the merits and ongoing maintenance burden is worth it for assembling source ISOs.
- ssl-3 3y ago
  Were you getting your sources from pre-packaged Ubuntu ISO images, though? Because source code ISOs are the only thing that is proposed to be going away. They're going to continue to distribute package sources the usual way, which is with apt.

ndsipa_pomu 3y ago

This is a poor reason to ditch Ubuntu as almost no-one uses the source ISOs. The sources are still available online - just not as however many ISOs that are needed (9?). I've been using Ubuntu at home and work for many years as it's at a convenient point between bleeding edge (like Arch) and slow and stable (Debian), plus due to the large user base there's a lot of information on fixing issues and configuration instructions. However, I'm not a fan of snaps as they seem to cause more issues than they solve. (One of the reasons that they're binning the source ISOs is because they don't currently include source for the snap packages, so rather than spend time fixing that for a download that very few people use, they're just stopping producing them). Since they moved to using snap for Firefox, I've had a few instances where Firefox wouldn't start. There's also issues with how Firefox interracts with the OS and so some extensions don't work properly. But probably the most annoying is that you have to close a snap package for it to be updated! So, I generally have Signal and Firefox running all the time, and now I keep getting messages about having to close them so that the snap package can be updated - it reminds me of running Windows. TLDR; ditch Ubuntu because of SNAPs, not because they're stopping the source ISOs that you never used anyway.

Symbiote 3y ago
To install Firefox using apt: sudo snap remove firefox echo 'Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins:: "LP-PPA-mozillateam:${distro_codename}";' | sudo tee /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/51unattended-upgrades-firefox sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/ppa sudo apt install firefox And https://signal.org/download/linux/ https://signal.org/download/linux/ for Signal.
- ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
  Thanks. I'm currently sticking with using the Snap packages so that I can evaluate how well they work and the level of issues, but if they annoy me enough then I might well move back to standard packages.