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Agree the chart the author chose is awful. An aot comparison is that China added more wind and solar the past nine months than all of its nuclear reactors unde

Agree the chart the author chose is awful. An aot comparison is that China added more wind and solar the past nine months than all of its nuclear reactors under construction will provide. Yes, that includes capacity factor. https://twitter.com/yo_ean/status/1718633487454904718 https://twitter.com/yo_ean/status/1718633487454904718

defrost 3y ago
I have no doubt that China's renewable energy additions outweigh its nuclear additions - that's covered in the IEA report I cited. The claim made above that I responded to was: And nuclear construction has slowed down noticeably which I've yet to see supported by a credible reference. Even if the awful chart is correct in it's raw source data it only addresses recent nuclear power coming online and not the amount currently under construction ... which may be more, less, or about the same as past construction. If it helps I'm ambivilant about nuclear V solar other than pragmatically recognising that renewables need a small constant baseload given human consumption (which is a whole other discussion), however I'm always alarmed about figures thrown about with no credible cited data .. and awful awful charts make me queasy.
- matthewdgreen 3y ago
  China’s new reactor construction has slowed in recent years, and their deployment of wind and PV has surged. I’m fascinated by this because I think it’s going to be one of the most important stories of the 21st century. I’d be fascinated as well if things were going the other way. This is the point of the chart I grabbed from a collection of thirty similar charts, solely because it illustrated the same trend with slightly more recent data. You can verify these facts easily yourself in less time than it takes to post to HN, from any number of sources (which will also give you the number of reactors under construction, etc.), there’s no need to pose easily-answered questions implying that maybe the trend is incorrect due to other factors, when you can easily satisfy your curiosity about those factors with a few minutes of research. TL;DR: more intellectual curiosity, less noisy argument.
  - defrost 3y ago
    > You can verify these facts easily yourself in less time than it takes to post to HN But can you? Is the source official chinese stats, independant IEA auditors, the people that put out the nuclear red book .. do you even know, that is the question. > China’s new reactor construction has slowed in recent years Is that construction or completion (I trust you understand the distinction). Is that in total (global nuclear reactor construction by china) or local (just those within China's mainland boundaries). > the chart I grabbed from a collection of thirty similar charts, solely because it illustrated the same trend with slightly more recent data. Read that back to yourself and ponder how that sounds. TL;DR: more intellectual clarification and honest revelation of raw data, less unsourced random opinion | charts.
    - matthewdgreen 3y ago
      Exactly. You should use the IEA data about Chinese mainland reactor construction, because China’s civilian reactor construction plans are very public and reactors are big enough to see from space. Go review that and stop posting and downvoting here unless it says something substantively different than I explained in this thread.

defrost 3y ago

I have no doubt that China's renewable energy additions outweigh its nuclear additions - that's covered in the IEA report I cited. The claim made above that I responded to was: And nuclear construction has slowed down noticeably which I've yet to see supported by a credible reference. Even if the awful chart is correct in it's raw source data it only addresses recent nuclear power coming online and not the amount currently under construction ... which may be more, less, or about the same as past construction. If it helps I'm ambivilant about nuclear V solar other than pragmatically recognising that renewables need a small constant baseload given human consumption (which is a whole other discussion), however I'm always alarmed about figures thrown about with no credible cited data .. and awful awful charts make me queasy.

matthewdgreen 3y ago
China’s new reactor construction has slowed in recent years, and their deployment of wind and PV has surged. I’m fascinated by this because I think it’s going to be one of the most important stories of the 21st century. I’d be fascinated as well if things were going the other way. This is the point of the chart I grabbed from a collection of thirty similar charts, solely because it illustrated the same trend with slightly more recent data. You can verify these facts easily yourself in less time than it takes to post to HN, from any number of sources (which will also give you the number of reactors under construction, etc.), there’s no need to pose easily-answered questions implying that maybe the trend is incorrect due to other factors, when you can easily satisfy your curiosity about those factors with a few minutes of research. TL;DR: more intellectual curiosity, less noisy argument.
- defrost 3y ago
  > You can verify these facts easily yourself in less time than it takes to post to HN But can you? Is the source official chinese stats, independant IEA auditors, the people that put out the nuclear red book .. do you even know, that is the question. > China’s new reactor construction has slowed in recent years Is that construction or completion (I trust you understand the distinction). Is that in total (global nuclear reactor construction by china) or local (just those within China's mainland boundaries). > the chart I grabbed from a collection of thirty similar charts, solely because it illustrated the same trend with slightly more recent data. Read that back to yourself and ponder how that sounds. TL;DR: more intellectual clarification and honest revelation of raw data, less unsourced random opinion | charts.
  - matthewdgreen 3y ago
    Exactly. You should use the IEA data about Chinese mainland reactor construction, because China’s civilian reactor construction plans are very public and reactors are big enough to see from space. Go review that and stop posting and downvoting here unless it says something substantively different than I explained in this thread.