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I don’t care much for Iran or its neighbours. If you’re framing Israel as the victim here, it probably does have nuclear weapons. I suppose a follow up question

I don’t care much for Iran or its neighbours. If you’re framing Israel as the victim here, it probably does have nuclear weapons. I suppose a follow up question is: why is Iran evil for having a secret nuclear weapons program and Israel isn’t for its program?

boeingUH60 3y ago
Because Israel isn’t run by terrorists who openly call for genocides and have shown they’re willing to go any mile to achieve their extremist delusions. Can’t believe people try to place Israel and Iran on the same pane when the latter is run by extremist psychopaths that fund mass destruction across the Middle East.
- amingilani 3y ago
  I’m sorry I don’t want this to spill into a debate about Israel but saying Israel isn’t genocidal is disingenuous. In this last conflict so far there’s been 1.4K Israelis killed while 23k Palestinians killed. It’s disproportionally high on the Palestinian side. The majority are civilians. I couldn’t care less why this is so: military bureaucracy? Racism? Dehumanization of the opponents? But the numbers clearly paint Israel as the country “run by terrorists who openly call for genocides and have shown they’re willing to go any mile to achieve their extremist delusions”. Why is Iran any different?
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  - boeingUH60 3y ago
    > But the numbers clearly paint Israel as the country “run by terrorists who openly call for genocides and have shown they’re willing to go any mile to achieve their extremist delusions”. No, they aren't. Hamas invaded first and triggered the conflict. Anyone who tries to equivocate Israel, the sole prosperous democracy in the Middle East, with Iran, a theocracy whose biggest export is mass destruction, is heavily misinformed at best and at worst a whataboutery propagandist.
    - amingilani 3y ago
      Hamas isn’t a country it’s a terrorist organization. It didn’t invade, it terrorized. Anyone who ignores disproportionate, egregious civilian murders to explain their perspective that Israel is good makes a better case for a misinformed whatabouting propagandist. That said, I genuinely don’t want this to be an Israel vs. Palestine conversation and more a conversation about why shouldn’t even “evil” theocracies have a right to defended themselves?
  - t8sr 3y ago
    Moral relativism refuses to die. A democratic society has done some bad things, therefore a homicidal theocracy with medieval attitudes towards women and gay people gets to be morally equivalent? How does this argument keep coming back? It’s obvious that line of reasoning leads to just might-makes-right, if we’re all so morally equivalent.
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goestoo 3y ago
one is a democracy and the other one is a dictatorship.

boeingUH60 3y ago

Because Israel isn’t run by terrorists who openly call for genocides and have shown they’re willing to go any mile to achieve their extremist delusions. Can’t believe people try to place Israel and Iran on the same pane when the latter is run by extremist psychopaths that fund mass destruction across the Middle East.

amingilani 3y ago
I’m sorry I don’t want this to spill into a debate about Israel but saying Israel isn’t genocidal is disingenuous. In this last conflict so far there’s been 1.4K Israelis killed while 23k Palestinians killed. It’s disproportionally high on the Palestinian side. The majority are civilians. I couldn’t care less why this is so: military bureaucracy? Racism? Dehumanization of the opponents? But the numbers clearly paint Israel as the country “run by terrorists who openly call for genocides and have shown they’re willing to go any mile to achieve their extremist delusions”. Why is Iran any different?
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- boeingUH60 3y ago
  > But the numbers clearly paint Israel as the country “run by terrorists who openly call for genocides and have shown they’re willing to go any mile to achieve their extremist delusions”. No, they aren't. Hamas invaded first and triggered the conflict. Anyone who tries to equivocate Israel, the sole prosperous democracy in the Middle East, with Iran, a theocracy whose biggest export is mass destruction, is heavily misinformed at best and at worst a whataboutery propagandist.
  - amingilani 3y ago
    Hamas isn’t a country it’s a terrorist organization. It didn’t invade, it terrorized. Anyone who ignores disproportionate, egregious civilian murders to explain their perspective that Israel is good makes a better case for a misinformed whatabouting propagandist. That said, I genuinely don’t want this to be an Israel vs. Palestine conversation and more a conversation about why shouldn’t even “evil” theocracies have a right to defended themselves?
- t8sr 3y ago
  Moral relativism refuses to die. A democratic society has done some bad things, therefore a homicidal theocracy with medieval attitudes towards women and gay people gets to be morally equivalent? How does this argument keep coming back? It’s obvious that line of reasoning leads to just might-makes-right, if we’re all so morally equivalent.
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goestoo 3y ago

one is a democracy and the other one is a dictatorship.