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Different funds will have different mandates, but generally they are trying to beat their benchmark index and charge 2 & 20 for the privilege. If they can't be

Different funds will have different mandates, but generally they are trying to beat their benchmark index and charge 2 & 20 for the privilege. If they can't beat the S&P 500 which I can invest in with Vanguard at 0.07% at relatively low risk, then why would you invest with them?

jackcosgrove 3y ago
As a retail investor you should not invest in hedge funds.
edgyquant 3y ago
The main point of a hedge fund is in the name, to act as a hedge. They aren’t, as a rule, meant to be a competitor of SPY.
- n2d4 3y ago
  That's not where the "hedge" comes from, it's called that because they use hedging and other strategies to (hopefully) deliver constantly positive returns, uncorrelated to the market. (Which ironically makes it useless as a hedge, as those should be anti-correlated.)
  - bionsystem 3y ago
    Absolutely. The real original term was "hedged fund" and not "hedge fund". I can only feel the pain of the guy [0] who invented the term, when he saw that his entire industry dumbed it down. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Winslow_Jones https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Winslow_Jones
    - edgyquant 3y ago
      I mean, this link literally says he coined the term to mean “a fund that is hedged against market risk” so I have no idea what you two are even arguing? A hedge fund is a fund that hedges against volatility and that is always what the name has implied. So my comment is right and you two are wrong even by your own sources.
      - bionsystem 3y ago
        "hedged fund" implies that the fund itself is hedged. It is the original and correct term (hence the link). "hedge fund" implies that the fund IS a hedge (presumably against other assets one might own). Except that in and of itself the fund cannot hedge you without knowing what you own. Nowadays, everything is called a "hedge fund" incorrectly - they should be called "hedged fund" as per the original term. They provide diversification and hopefully some return above CPI, or some well-defined risk-adjusted return. By the way, "hedging against volatility" doesn't mean much. Most of those funds are short volatility.
  - edgyquant 3y ago
    No that is most certainly why it’s called a hedge fund because they are a hedge against volatility[1]. Also In what way does being uncorrelated make it useless as a hedge? The implication is that if the market goes down your capital isn’t guaranteed to also lose value at the same rate and thus it is definitely a hedge. 1. >in sum, hedge funds are called hedge funds because they use a full array of hedging techniques to reduce portfolio volatility. https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2006/06/basics.htm#:~:text=In%20sum%2C%20hedge%20funds%20are,their%20wealth%20in%20volatile%20markets https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2006/06/basics.ht....
    - n2d4 3y ago
      As your link says, they're hedged (adjective form), but not hedges. They are supposed to have low volatility themselves, but they don't counteract the volatility of other investments in your portfolio
nosefurhairdo 3y ago
VOO and VFIAX (Vanguard's S&P 500 ETF and index fund) have only 0.03% and 0.04% expense ratios respectively.
- benjaminwootton 3y ago
  I'm invested in VUSA ETF through Vanguard UK, but point taken.

jackcosgrove 3y ago

As a retail investor you should not invest in hedge funds.

edgyquant 3y ago

The main point of a hedge fund is in the name, to act as a hedge. They aren’t, as a rule, meant to be a competitor of SPY.

n2d4 3y ago
That's not where the "hedge" comes from, it's called that because they use hedging and other strategies to (hopefully) deliver constantly positive returns, uncorrelated to the market. (Which ironically makes it useless as a hedge, as those should be anti-correlated.)
- bionsystem 3y ago
  Absolutely. The real original term was "hedged fund" and not "hedge fund". I can only feel the pain of the guy [0] who invented the term, when he saw that his entire industry dumbed it down. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Winslow_Jones https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Winslow_Jones
  - edgyquant 3y ago
    I mean, this link literally says he coined the term to mean “a fund that is hedged against market risk” so I have no idea what you two are even arguing? A hedge fund is a fund that hedges against volatility and that is always what the name has implied. So my comment is right and you two are wrong even by your own sources.
    - bionsystem 3y ago
      "hedged fund" implies that the fund itself is hedged. It is the original and correct term (hence the link). "hedge fund" implies that the fund IS a hedge (presumably against other assets one might own). Except that in and of itself the fund cannot hedge you without knowing what you own. Nowadays, everything is called a "hedge fund" incorrectly - they should be called "hedged fund" as per the original term. They provide diversification and hopefully some return above CPI, or some well-defined risk-adjusted return. By the way, "hedging against volatility" doesn't mean much. Most of those funds are short volatility.
- edgyquant 3y ago
  No that is most certainly why it’s called a hedge fund because they are a hedge against volatility[1]. Also In what way does being uncorrelated make it useless as a hedge? The implication is that if the market goes down your capital isn’t guaranteed to also lose value at the same rate and thus it is definitely a hedge. 1. >in sum, hedge funds are called hedge funds because they use a full array of hedging techniques to reduce portfolio volatility. https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2006/06/basics.htm#:~:text=In%20sum%2C%20hedge%20funds%20are,their%20wealth%20in%20volatile%20markets https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2006/06/basics.ht....
  - n2d4 3y ago
    As your link says, they're hedged (adjective form), but not hedges. They are supposed to have low volatility themselves, but they don't counteract the volatility of other investments in your portfolio

nosefurhairdo 3y ago

VOO and VFIAX (Vanguard's S&P 500 ETF and index fund) have only 0.03% and 0.04% expense ratios respectively.

benjaminwootton 3y ago
I'm invested in VUSA ETF through Vanguard UK, but point taken.