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How many votes up are your posts getting? If it's only a handful, you're never going to last on the front page for long -- it's part of the standard HN algorit

How many votes up are your posts getting? If it's only a handful, you're never going to last on the front page for long -- it's part of the standard HN algorithm (something with time/number of votes and maybe something with spread in vote count over time -- at least that's what it seems to be)

Wilduck 14y ago
Going to the posted url, it shows 46 points in 2 hours. That should be more than enough to keep it on the front page for a while.
destraynor 14y ago
44 points in the space of about 20 minutes should be front page material (going by my experience of reading HN). But regardless, it should slide down , not literally drop on a refresh from #2 to #87.
- ColinWright 14y ago
  A flag or two will do that for you.
  - DanBC 14y ago
    You have no idea how many flags are needed.
    - ColinWright 14y ago
      That's a really interesting claim. Let's perform a thought experiment, all completely hypothetical, of course. Suppose someone, call them R, has been on HN for over three years. Suppose also that over those years R has, for various reasons, ended up with more than one HN username. Suppose that R noticed some interesting behavior in relation to flags and rankings and decided to investigate. Waiting until one of his (or her) submissions hit the front page, R then used the other usernames to flag it and watch how the ranking changed. Having done that, R then unflagged the submission to check that it returned to its previous ranking, providing evidence (although obviously not a guarantee) that there had been no other flags to affect the ranking. At the end of that R would hve a pretty good idea of how many flags were needed to change the ranking of an item. Would you agree? Having worked it out, though, R might decide not to make this information public. Why? Perhaps because R respects PG's decision not to make various details of the rankings system public, and chooses to cooperate. So now, you claim that I "have no idea how many flags are needed." In the light of the above completely hypothetical thought experiment let me ask: Are you sure? Added in edit: In response to the replies to the above thought experiment, let me add that "a flag or two" was not intended to be taken literally. My apologies if you thought I literally meant either exactly one or exactly two. I did not. In hindsight perhaps I should've said "a few." I do not, however, intend to make public exactly what I do know about this issue.
      - DanBC 14y ago
        > Now, you claim that I "have no idea how many flags are needed." In the light of the above thought experiment let me ask: > Are you sure? Yes.
      - waterlesscloud 14y ago
        I can tell you I'm sure it's more than one flag to take you off the front page, and I'm 90% sure it's more than 2.
        ColinWright 14y ago
        In reply, I can tell you I've just taken an item off the Front Page with two flags, and then put it back again afterwards by unflagging. Added in edit: Cool - I report the results of an actual experiment providing evidence in a discussion, and I get a downvote. Fascinating - I clearly still have much to learn about the people who read and react on Hacker News. I have no idea why this should get a downvote.

Wilduck 14y ago

Going to the posted url, it shows 46 points in 2 hours. That should be more than enough to keep it on the front page for a while.

destraynor 14y ago

44 points in the space of about 20 minutes should be front page material (going by my experience of reading HN). But regardless, it should slide down , not literally drop on a refresh from #2 to #87.

ColinWright 14y ago
A flag or two will do that for you.
- DanBC 14y ago
  You have no idea how many flags are needed.
  - ColinWright 14y ago
    That's a really interesting claim. Let's perform a thought experiment, all completely hypothetical, of course. Suppose someone, call them R, has been on HN for over three years. Suppose also that over those years R has, for various reasons, ended up with more than one HN username. Suppose that R noticed some interesting behavior in relation to flags and rankings and decided to investigate. Waiting until one of his (or her) submissions hit the front page, R then used the other usernames to flag it and watch how the ranking changed. Having done that, R then unflagged the submission to check that it returned to its previous ranking, providing evidence (although obviously not a guarantee) that there had been no other flags to affect the ranking. At the end of that R would hve a pretty good idea of how many flags were needed to change the ranking of an item. Would you agree? Having worked it out, though, R might decide not to make this information public. Why? Perhaps because R respects PG's decision not to make various details of the rankings system public, and chooses to cooperate. So now, you claim that I "have no idea how many flags are needed." In the light of the above completely hypothetical thought experiment let me ask: Are you sure? Added in edit: In response to the replies to the above thought experiment, let me add that "a flag or two" was not intended to be taken literally. My apologies if you thought I literally meant either exactly one or exactly two. I did not. In hindsight perhaps I should've said "a few." I do not, however, intend to make public exactly what I do know about this issue.
    - DanBC 14y ago
      > Now, you claim that I "have no idea how many flags are needed." In the light of the above thought experiment let me ask: > Are you sure? Yes.
    - waterlesscloud 14y ago
      I can tell you I'm sure it's more than one flag to take you off the front page, and I'm 90% sure it's more than 2.
      - ColinWright 14y ago
        In reply, I can tell you I've just taken an item off the Front Page with two flags, and then put it back again afterwards by unflagging. Added in edit: Cool - I report the results of an actual experiment providing evidence in a discussion, and I get a downvote. Fascinating - I clearly still have much to learn about the people who read and react on Hacker News. I have no idea why this should get a downvote.