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they did a cheaper iphone SE version in 2016 at one point and time, and it did horribly. Target market for iPhone is the same as for higher end cars, not for pe

they did a cheaper iphone SE version in 2016 at one point and time, and it did horribly. Target market for iPhone is the same as for higher end cars, not for performance but for status.

Jtsummers 3y ago
They still have a cheaper (by a bit) SE version. The current one's internals are basically the same as the iPhone 13. Still sells for $429 so above the $300 price point. They picked the designation back up in 2020 with an iPhone 11 based one (released concurrently with the 11) and updated it in 2022 concurrent to the 13's release.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >internals are basically the same as the iPhone 13 But who cares about the internals if the display, the thing via which users operates and consume content on their phones, is absolute garbage on the SE3 for 2024 standards? "The display might look like shit, but at least I have a top of the line processor." Said no smartphone customer ever. Guess what, I have an Android with a chip weaker than on my work provided SE3 but it feels much faster and nicer to use because of the brighter 1080p OLED display operating at 90Hz. Going back to the SE3 60Hz display feels like going back in time over 10 years. Everything motion like scrolling feels slow and janky on it despite the fancy processor. Top tip: faster refreshing displays make a theoretically slower phone feel faster than a fast phone with a slow display.
  - Jtsummers 3y ago
    > But who cares about the internals if the display, the thing via which users operates and consume content on their phones, is absolute garbage on the SE3 for 2024 standards? People who want an iPhone and aren't willing to spring another $170 for a better display, obviously. At least the SE should get another 4-5 years of OS support given its internals and Apples's support track record for OS support (5-7 years is typical at this point). This display thing really seems to bother you a lot for someone who buys Android devices. Why do you care?
    - wkat4242 3y ago
      Not the OP but I bothers me too. The longevity is not really a benefit for the SE as it is because in 5 years the design and display will feel even more outdated. Yes I also buy Android but I might not have if Apple had a decent midrange. Ps Samsung offers really long support now too.
    - AlchemistCamp 3y ago
      I'm willing to spend a bit more for a better display, which is why I bought an iPhone 12 mini. Apple discontinued the mini line, so when I upgrade, likely this year, I'll pay them less and get an SE, since it's the only phone they offer of the size I want.
  - ndiddy 3y ago
    > But who cares about the internals if the display, the thing via which users operates and consume content on their phones, is absolute garbage on the SE3 for 2024 standards? I use an SE because I care more about having a home button, touch ID, and no notch than a faster and brighter screen. Not having to worry about burn-in is also nice. Different people put higher priorities on different things.
andirk 3y ago
I agree somewhat, but when I separated from my first and only iPhone, iPhone 4, I did miss the ecosystem but that's also why I didn't want another one. From my Macbooks, iCloud, iPhone, the syncing and backing up and all that was seamless, but too intrusive and difficult to even share a damn image w/ a non-Apple device. TLDR; the Apple ecosystem handcuffs the user, so people stay.

they did a cheaper iphone SE version in 2016 at one point and time, and it did horribly. Target market for iPhone is the same as for higher end cars, not for performance but for status.

Jtsummers 3y ago

They still have a cheaper (by a bit) SE version. The current one's internals are basically the same as the iPhone 13. Still sells for $429 so above the $300 price point. They picked the designation back up in 2020 with an iPhone 11 based one (released concurrently with the 11) and updated it in 2022 concurrent to the 13's release.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>internals are basically the same as the iPhone 13 But who cares about the internals if the display, the thing via which users operates and consume content on their phones, is absolute garbage on the SE3 for 2024 standards? "The display might look like shit, but at least I have a top of the line processor." Said no smartphone customer ever. Guess what, I have an Android with a chip weaker than on my work provided SE3 but it feels much faster and nicer to use because of the brighter 1080p OLED display operating at 90Hz. Going back to the SE3 60Hz display feels like going back in time over 10 years. Everything motion like scrolling feels slow and janky on it despite the fancy processor. Top tip: faster refreshing displays make a theoretically slower phone feel faster than a fast phone with a slow display.
- Jtsummers 3y ago
  > But who cares about the internals if the display, the thing via which users operates and consume content on their phones, is absolute garbage on the SE3 for 2024 standards? People who want an iPhone and aren't willing to spring another $170 for a better display, obviously. At least the SE should get another 4-5 years of OS support given its internals and Apples's support track record for OS support (5-7 years is typical at this point). This display thing really seems to bother you a lot for someone who buys Android devices. Why do you care?
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    Not the OP but I bothers me too. The longevity is not really a benefit for the SE as it is because in 5 years the design and display will feel even more outdated. Yes I also buy Android but I might not have if Apple had a decent midrange. Ps Samsung offers really long support now too.
  - AlchemistCamp 3y ago
    I'm willing to spend a bit more for a better display, which is why I bought an iPhone 12 mini. Apple discontinued the mini line, so when I upgrade, likely this year, I'll pay them less and get an SE, since it's the only phone they offer of the size I want.
- ndiddy 3y ago
  > But who cares about the internals if the display, the thing via which users operates and consume content on their phones, is absolute garbage on the SE3 for 2024 standards? I use an SE because I care more about having a home button, touch ID, and no notch than a faster and brighter screen. Not having to worry about burn-in is also nice. Different people put higher priorities on different things.

andirk 3y ago

I agree somewhat, but when I separated from my first and only iPhone, iPhone 4, I did miss the ecosystem but that's also why I didn't want another one. From my Macbooks, iCloud, iPhone, the syncing and backing up and all that was seamless, but too intrusive and difficult to even share a damn image w/ a non-Apple device. TLDR; the Apple ecosystem handcuffs the user, so people stay.