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If you take a look at this article as a heuristic as to where our new neigbors arrived from https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/15/us/where-immigrants-come-from-cec

If you take a look at this article as a heuristic as to where our new neigbors arrived from https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/15/us/where-immigrants-come-from-cec/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/15/us/where-immigrants-come-... You will notice that since the 1960's the new americans have come from societies where kindness is definitely seen as a weakness because of how corrupt their societies are. So people adapt and view kindness as so. Just because they have arrived here does not mean they have shed their previous world views.

ethanbond 3y ago
And the correct response to that is to show kindness, obviously. The alternative is to degrade to a low-trust society.
- kamikaz1k 3y ago
  Actually, it is not obvious, especially if you’re acting independently. Once there’s a critical mass of people in society that can’t operate in high trust, you’re basically waiting for the generous people to be fleeced. ~There was a cute simulation web app on HN 6 months ago…I can’t find it.~ Found it! https://ncase.me/trust/ https://ncase.me/trust/
  - ethanbond 3y ago
    I’ll repeat: the obvious solution to avoid this (you are describing a low-trust society) is to show kindness. It is simply untrue that the US is already a low-trust society, so yes it is obviously the correct solution to continue to show kindness.
    - tourmalinetaco 3y ago
      The obvious error to your “obvious” solution is that some areas are already low-trust, and thus without removing that low-trust culture/the low-trust individuals there is simply no possible way to change it. Manhattan has had a reputation of being low-trust for longer than I’ve been alive, and that only continues to prove itself. L.A., Detroit, Chicago, really any major city are all low-trust environments. This may not be the whole of the US geographically, however it certainly is from a population perspective.
      - ethanbond 3y ago
        “Continues to prove itself” Citation needed

ethanbond 3y ago

And the correct response to that is to show kindness, obviously. The alternative is to degrade to a low-trust society.

kamikaz1k 3y ago
Actually, it is not obvious, especially if you’re acting independently. Once there’s a critical mass of people in society that can’t operate in high trust, you’re basically waiting for the generous people to be fleeced. ~There was a cute simulation web app on HN 6 months ago…I can’t find it.~ Found it! https://ncase.me/trust/ https://ncase.me/trust/
- ethanbond 3y ago
  I’ll repeat: the obvious solution to avoid this (you are describing a low-trust society) is to show kindness. It is simply untrue that the US is already a low-trust society, so yes it is obviously the correct solution to continue to show kindness.
  - tourmalinetaco 3y ago
    The obvious error to your “obvious” solution is that some areas are already low-trust, and thus without removing that low-trust culture/the low-trust individuals there is simply no possible way to change it. Manhattan has had a reputation of being low-trust for longer than I’ve been alive, and that only continues to prove itself. L.A., Detroit, Chicago, really any major city are all low-trust environments. This may not be the whole of the US geographically, however it certainly is from a population perspective.
    - ethanbond 3y ago
      “Continues to prove itself” Citation needed