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> When I go to a bar they don’t store a record of my ID Many bars are storing a record of ID. e.g. PatronScan (https://web.archive.org/web/20190604193217/https

> When I go to a bar they don’t store a record of my ID Many bars are storing a record of ID. e.g. PatronScan (https://web.archive.org/web/20190604193217/https://onezero.medium.com/id-at-the-door-meet-the-security-company-building-an-international-database-of-banned-bar-patrons-7c6d4b236fc3 https://web.archive.org/web/20190604193217/https://onezero.m...) https://www.patronscan.com https://www.patronscan.com

mulmen 3y ago
That’s also a bad design. I still normally get my ID checked by a bartender or bouncer’s eyes.
- mcculley 3y ago
  In my neighborhood, there is a new law requiring use of such scanners.
  - mulmen 3y ago
    Are they required to store the scans for some period of time?
    - mcculley 3y ago
      The requirement [0] is “Must reject entry to anyone using a fake or duplicate ID.” I gather that the bars have determined that the easiest way to detect duplicate IDs is to outsource to these services that capture IDs and can be queried at time of entry. I have no idea how long they keep them, but it seems safe to assume they would value the data forever. 0: https://www.orlando.gov/Our-Government/Departments-Offices/Economic-Development/City-Planning/Late-Night-Uses/City-Code-Updates-to-Nightclubs-and-Alcohol-Sales-in-Downtown https://www.orlando.gov/Our-Government/Departments-Offices/E...
      - mulmen 3y ago
        I’m sure it depends on the bar if they care about retention or derived insights but I fully expect the service providers to retain these records indefinitely for the purpose of monetization. Presumably using these services alleviates some legal liability for the business. I do wonder if there’s a legal requirement for retention and what access the government has to the data.
        autoexec 3y ago
        I suspect that you're probably also individually tracked and logged when going to bars thanks to GPS systems (phone/car), indoor/outdoor security cameras, cell phone location data (via gps/bluetooth/wifi), license plate readers, red light cameras, electronic toll collection systems (https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/newly-obtained-records-reveal-extensive-monitoring-e-zpass https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/newly-obtained-...), credit card transaction records, ring cameras, atm cameras, and bluetooth tracking beacons. By the time someone scans your ID your location has probably already been recorded many times over. No doubt that the government is collecting and keeping records from at least some of those sources and I imagine that the coverage of even just a few of those records in combination are comprehensive.

mulmen 3y ago

That’s also a bad design. I still normally get my ID checked by a bartender or bouncer’s eyes.

mcculley 3y ago
In my neighborhood, there is a new law requiring use of such scanners.
- mulmen 3y ago
  Are they required to store the scans for some period of time?
  - mcculley 3y ago
    The requirement [0] is “Must reject entry to anyone using a fake or duplicate ID.” I gather that the bars have determined that the easiest way to detect duplicate IDs is to outsource to these services that capture IDs and can be queried at time of entry. I have no idea how long they keep them, but it seems safe to assume they would value the data forever. 0: https://www.orlando.gov/Our-Government/Departments-Offices/Economic-Development/City-Planning/Late-Night-Uses/City-Code-Updates-to-Nightclubs-and-Alcohol-Sales-in-Downtown https://www.orlando.gov/Our-Government/Departments-Offices/E...
    - mulmen 3y ago
      I’m sure it depends on the bar if they care about retention or derived insights but I fully expect the service providers to retain these records indefinitely for the purpose of monetization. Presumably using these services alleviates some legal liability for the business. I do wonder if there’s a legal requirement for retention and what access the government has to the data.
      - autoexec 3y ago
        I suspect that you're probably also individually tracked and logged when going to bars thanks to GPS systems (phone/car), indoor/outdoor security cameras, cell phone location data (via gps/bluetooth/wifi), license plate readers, red light cameras, electronic toll collection systems (https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/newly-obtained-records-reveal-extensive-monitoring-e-zpass https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/newly-obtained-...), credit card transaction records, ring cameras, atm cameras, and bluetooth tracking beacons. By the time someone scans your ID your location has probably already been recorded many times over. No doubt that the government is collecting and keeping records from at least some of those sources and I imagine that the coverage of even just a few of those records in combination are comprehensive.