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>> "No one, and no religion, owns the moon, and, were the beliefs of the world's multitude of religions considered, it’s quite likely that no missions would eve

>> "No one, and no religion, owns the moon, and, were the beliefs of the world's multitude of religions considered, it’s quite likely that no missions would ever be approved," Chafer added. "Simply, we do not and never have let religious beliefs dictate humanity’s space efforts — there is not and should not be a religious test."

Avshalom 3y ago
Sticking a corpse on the moon is absolutely a religious effort. So...
- cassianoleal 3y ago
  Is it? Why? If it’s because of the religion of the deceased, there’s an easy fix: take someone who was an atheist.
  - Avshalom 3y ago
    They aren't taking human remains up there for scientific purposes, it's not any-ashes-will-do, they're taking specific human remains up there because that's what either the dead person asked for or some alive person wants to do with them, and more precisely because they are being paid to. Nothing's gonna be learned here, it's a vanity project, it's entirely just the idea that "we should do something special" with dead people beyond what is strictly necessary from a public health stand point.
    - evilduck 3y ago
      None of that supports your prior assertion that it's "absolutely" a religious effort though. Even if it's pure vanity and 100% wasteful, why should any Earthly religion have an overruling say about it?
    - zamadatix 3y ago
      "Some post death action to a body beyond what is strictly necessary from a public health standpoint" is not the definition of religious effort though. It has nothing inherent to do with worship, gods, faith, afterlife, or the supernatural anymore than the "belief" if you pay for shipment of something it'll probably make it that even if you're not around to see it and that sounds fun. After all, not everything people do beyond the bare necessities of public health is about religion.
    - cassianoleal 3y ago
      So you skipped my question: "why?", and instead decided to argue against a strawman. Ironically, that seems to answer my question.
Barrin92 3y ago
>we do not and never have let religious beliefs dictate humanity’s space efforts luxury space tourists sending them a check to turn the moon into their personal graveyard, polluting the surface with organic material which seems scientifically disastrous dictates the efforts just fine. If the only thing that stands between turning the moon into the next dumping ground is the traditions of the Navajo people they might be worth listening to. Not sure why people are trying to create a wedge between science and religion here. The Navajo and scientists have more in common on the question of stewardship of the moon than SpaceBurials Incorporated. Same goes for stewardship of the earrh btw.
- bozhark 3y ago
  No one owns the moon. _yet_
- valianteffort 3y ago
  All humans have the same right to the moon. Some are just better at asserting those rights. Cry all you want but if someone wants to pay to have their grave dug on the lunar surface, you have no right to stop them.
  - ArthurAardvark 3y ago
    You're a puerile dolt. Who is to say we have any rights with regards to the moon? Your foolish attitude is grotesque, you'd just like the biggest and least risk-averse kid do whatever they'd want to do in the sandbox? This just in, they just took a shit in the school's sandbox, have fun rolling around in shit! We'll see who's crying then. We should treat & act towards the Earth & Moon with great respect and great caution, we were given the right to live by God or the Earth & the Moon. Its time we take a step back and learn we live *with* the land and *because* of the land...I could go on and on but I'd be happily surprised if you take the time to find gratitude for the moon.
    - Suzuran 3y ago
      Get mad all you want, it won't change the fact that the extremely wealthy are equivalent to old-world gods. They have the power of life and death, and they rule the heavens and the earth. They will do whatever they want, wherever they want, and nothing you can do will change that. If they want to turn the moon into their private playpen / burial ground, they can do that and even if you expend your life trying to stop it it's questionable they will even notice.
apantel 3y ago
Swap out “religion” for “nation”: “No one, and no nation, owns the moon…” Didn’t stop the US from planting a US flag on it!
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Avshalom 3y ago

Sticking a corpse on the moon is absolutely a religious effort. So...

cassianoleal 3y ago
Is it? Why? If it’s because of the religion of the deceased, there’s an easy fix: take someone who was an atheist.
- Avshalom 3y ago
  They aren't taking human remains up there for scientific purposes, it's not any-ashes-will-do, they're taking specific human remains up there because that's what either the dead person asked for or some alive person wants to do with them, and more precisely because they are being paid to. Nothing's gonna be learned here, it's a vanity project, it's entirely just the idea that "we should do something special" with dead people beyond what is strictly necessary from a public health stand point.
  - evilduck 3y ago
    None of that supports your prior assertion that it's "absolutely" a religious effort though. Even if it's pure vanity and 100% wasteful, why should any Earthly religion have an overruling say about it?
  - zamadatix 3y ago
    "Some post death action to a body beyond what is strictly necessary from a public health standpoint" is not the definition of religious effort though. It has nothing inherent to do with worship, gods, faith, afterlife, or the supernatural anymore than the "belief" if you pay for shipment of something it'll probably make it that even if you're not around to see it and that sounds fun. After all, not everything people do beyond the bare necessities of public health is about religion.
  - cassianoleal 3y ago
    So you skipped my question: "why?", and instead decided to argue against a strawman. Ironically, that seems to answer my question.

Barrin92 3y ago

>we do not and never have let religious beliefs dictate humanity’s space efforts luxury space tourists sending them a check to turn the moon into their personal graveyard, polluting the surface with organic material which seems scientifically disastrous dictates the efforts just fine. If the only thing that stands between turning the moon into the next dumping ground is the traditions of the Navajo people they might be worth listening to. Not sure why people are trying to create a wedge between science and religion here. The Navajo and scientists have more in common on the question of stewardship of the moon than SpaceBurials Incorporated. Same goes for stewardship of the earrh btw.

bozhark 3y ago
No one owns the moon. _yet_
valianteffort 3y ago
All humans have the same right to the moon. Some are just better at asserting those rights. Cry all you want but if someone wants to pay to have their grave dug on the lunar surface, you have no right to stop them.
- ArthurAardvark 3y ago
  You're a puerile dolt. Who is to say we have any rights with regards to the moon? Your foolish attitude is grotesque, you'd just like the biggest and least risk-averse kid do whatever they'd want to do in the sandbox? This just in, they just took a shit in the school's sandbox, have fun rolling around in shit! We'll see who's crying then. We should treat & act towards the Earth & Moon with great respect and great caution, we were given the right to live by God or the Earth & the Moon. Its time we take a step back and learn we live *with* the land and *because* of the land...I could go on and on but I'd be happily surprised if you take the time to find gratitude for the moon.
  - Suzuran 3y ago
    Get mad all you want, it won't change the fact that the extremely wealthy are equivalent to old-world gods. They have the power of life and death, and they rule the heavens and the earth. They will do whatever they want, wherever they want, and nothing you can do will change that. If they want to turn the moon into their private playpen / burial ground, they can do that and even if you expend your life trying to stop it it's questionable they will even notice.

apantel 3y ago

Swap out “religion” for “nation”: “No one, and no nation, owns the moon…” Didn’t stop the US from planting a US flag on it!

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