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Windows 2000 wasn’t the version before Windows XP for most people though. It was Windows ME. Most people would not have experienced 2000. Windows 2000 was the

by dagmx 3y ago

Windows 2000 wasn’t the version before Windows XP for most people though. It was Windows ME. Most people would not have experienced 2000. Windows 2000 was the last of the separate business targeted operating systems. Therefore I’d argue the nostalgia isn’t misplaced because most people under 45 just couldn’t have the nostalgia for 2000 to begin with. XP unified the two lines into one OS with multiple SKUs instead of completely different kernels.

mrweasel 3y ago
> Windows 2000 wasn’t the version before Windows XP for most people though. That's probably a fair observation. Windows 2000 came out before Windows ME, so it you had just a slight interest in computers, you'd try it out and after that Windows 98 and even ME felt like a downgrade, so you'd stay on 2000. I remember getting an beta release of Windows 2000 in late December 1999 and that was basically it, every other version of Windows since then, even XP was a downgrade.
- dagmx 3y ago
  Yeah though that was also the period before wide spread internet use, and when operating systems cost significant money to upgrade to . 2000 was $319, or over $500 today. That’s more than the cost of a full console or even some PCs. So you’d REALLY have to be into the OS scene to look it up, or care enough to buy it.
  - mrweasel 3y ago
    > or care enough to buy it. Yeaah, we didn't necessarily pay back then.
  - brnt 3y ago
    Sneakernet and your local friendly CD burner owner with a huge catalog were readily available here in NL. Internet made it a little easier, sure, but not much. At least for software. No, for music Napster was really what showed what the internet could offer but CD burners couldn't.
    - dagmx 3y ago
      My point around internet availability wasn’t around how you could download stuff but how you could find information. At the time, the way operating systems were advertised was in trade/enthusiast publications or the occasional tech article within a news publication or campaigns within stores. There weren’t prompts in the OS to upgrade, and most people didn’t think about their OS beyond what came factory installed. Each of the above required people to go out of their way to even know new OS versions were out unless they were enthusiasts.
      - brnt 3y ago
        Windows releases, being not that frequent, would make the national news here, so everyone would know, if they had any interest.
- LeFantome 3y ago
  Agreed. If Windows 2000 could run 64 but applications, I would find a way to keep using it.
- Dwedit 3y ago
  Fun fact, you can indeed run the Windows ME installer from within Windows 2000, and it will perform an "Upgrade".
- burnerthrow008 3y ago
  It’s not even the relative timing: 2000 couldn’t run many games because (being a descendant of the NT line) it didn’t support all the 9x graphics APIs. Very few home users had it. I tried running games on it back in the day, and some didn’t work. XP was the first Windows that had BOTH support for all “home windows” APIs AND the multi-user NT kernel (windows 95/98/me didn’t truly have a concept of user ownership of files outside the context of network file shares, for example)
  - ygra 3y ago
    While I've heard that Win2k didn't run games well back in the day I never actually had any problems. DirectX worked fine. Perhaps the caveat pertained to DOS games where NTVDM is lacking compared to running more or less directly in DOS.
  - neuromanser 3y ago
    > 2000 couldn’t run many games because (being a descendant of the NT line) it didn’t support all the 9x graphics APIs. I don't dispute that Microsoft used DirectX support to push XP sales, but I played at least Quake and Half-Life on NT4, and Unreal Tournament and StarCraft on W2k.
fellowniusmonk 3y ago
I was 15 doing local tech support and network admin for small businesses. Windows ME was a pile of memory leaking trash, constant BSODs, reboots multiple times a day, it was an unbelievably hostile OS with piss poor performance. 98se was so much better than ME it's a joke. 2000 was what I ran personally until XP stopped sucking (which if memory serves was with service pack 2.) Being from that era of IE 5.5 and 6 I still don't understand how a person could ever trust Micro$oft, or use their tooling with anything but reluctance, their corporate culture hasn't changed a bit as far as I can tell. The poster child for mundane corporatist evil.
- brnt 3y ago
  As I recall, W2K also got very usable on desktops with SP4 (I recall Sound blaster, game support issues in W2K).
- ornornor 3y ago
  They’ve invested a lot in making people forget and improve their image. GitHub, VSCode, WSL, typescript… I feel old remembering a time when Microsoft was openly evil (“Linux is cancer”) and I’m not even 40. I think the new generation only knows the “nice” MS, Xbox, etc. Not the underhanded greedy corp even though they’re still trying to shove a subpar browser and OS down our throats. It’s just less obvious nowadays.

by dagmx 3y ago

mrweasel 3y ago

> Windows 2000 wasn’t the version before Windows XP for most people though. That's probably a fair observation. Windows 2000 came out before Windows ME, so it you had just a slight interest in computers, you'd try it out and after that Windows 98 and even ME felt like a downgrade, so you'd stay on 2000. I remember getting an beta release of Windows 2000 in late December 1999 and that was basically it, every other version of Windows since then, even XP was a downgrade.

dagmx 3y ago
Yeah though that was also the period before wide spread internet use, and when operating systems cost significant money to upgrade to . 2000 was $319, or over $500 today. That’s more than the cost of a full console or even some PCs. So you’d REALLY have to be into the OS scene to look it up, or care enough to buy it.
- mrweasel 3y ago
  > or care enough to buy it. Yeaah, we didn't necessarily pay back then.
- brnt 3y ago
  Sneakernet and your local friendly CD burner owner with a huge catalog were readily available here in NL. Internet made it a little easier, sure, but not much. At least for software. No, for music Napster was really what showed what the internet could offer but CD burners couldn't.
  - dagmx 3y ago
    My point around internet availability wasn’t around how you could download stuff but how you could find information. At the time, the way operating systems were advertised was in trade/enthusiast publications or the occasional tech article within a news publication or campaigns within stores. There weren’t prompts in the OS to upgrade, and most people didn’t think about their OS beyond what came factory installed. Each of the above required people to go out of their way to even know new OS versions were out unless they were enthusiasts.
    - brnt 3y ago
      Windows releases, being not that frequent, would make the national news here, so everyone would know, if they had any interest.
LeFantome 3y ago
Agreed. If Windows 2000 could run 64 but applications, I would find a way to keep using it.
Dwedit 3y ago
Fun fact, you can indeed run the Windows ME installer from within Windows 2000, and it will perform an "Upgrade".
burnerthrow008 3y ago
It’s not even the relative timing: 2000 couldn’t run many games because (being a descendant of the NT line) it didn’t support all the 9x graphics APIs. Very few home users had it. I tried running games on it back in the day, and some didn’t work. XP was the first Windows that had BOTH support for all “home windows” APIs AND the multi-user NT kernel (windows 95/98/me didn’t truly have a concept of user ownership of files outside the context of network file shares, for example)
- ygra 3y ago
  While I've heard that Win2k didn't run games well back in the day I never actually had any problems. DirectX worked fine. Perhaps the caveat pertained to DOS games where NTVDM is lacking compared to running more or less directly in DOS.
- neuromanser 3y ago
  > 2000 couldn’t run many games because (being a descendant of the NT line) it didn’t support all the 9x graphics APIs. I don't dispute that Microsoft used DirectX support to push XP sales, but I played at least Quake and Half-Life on NT4, and Unreal Tournament and StarCraft on W2k.

fellowniusmonk 3y ago

I was 15 doing local tech support and network admin for small businesses. Windows ME was a pile of memory leaking trash, constant BSODs, reboots multiple times a day, it was an unbelievably hostile OS with piss poor performance. 98se was so much better than ME it's a joke. 2000 was what I ran personally until XP stopped sucking (which if memory serves was with service pack 2.) Being from that era of IE 5.5 and 6 I still don't understand how a person could ever trust Micro$oft, or use their tooling with anything but reluctance, their corporate culture hasn't changed a bit as far as I can tell. The poster child for mundane corporatist evil.

brnt 3y ago
As I recall, W2K also got very usable on desktops with SP4 (I recall Sound blaster, game support issues in W2K).
ornornor 3y ago
They’ve invested a lot in making people forget and improve their image. GitHub, VSCode, WSL, typescript… I feel old remembering a time when Microsoft was openly evil (“Linux is cancer”) and I’m not even 40. I think the new generation only knows the “nice” MS, Xbox, etc. Not the underhanded greedy corp even though they’re still trying to shove a subpar browser and OS down our throats. It’s just less obvious nowadays.