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But that's like, part of the issue. "Oh, you just used the wrong Linux. You really should use X with Y blah blah..." There is no "wrong Windows". Ubuntu desk

But that's like, part of the issue. "Oh, you just used the wrong Linux. You really should use X with Y blah blah..." There is no "wrong Windows". Ubuntu desktop might be the closest to just works, but I'm getting more and more averse to its quirks and will likely find myself back on Debian soon. That's just part of Linux's charm I guess.

dijit 3y ago
Oh, there is “wrong” windows: aside from the fact you usually dont install it yourself so your edition is chosen. For example Server versions are rarely what you want, or business versions, or IoT versions “Why do I require an online account” (pro? business? enterprise?), “why does this game not work (windows media player being unavailable means certain videos in game engines like Unreal can never play ;))”, “why cant I keep using Windows 7? the new one has a weird taskbar and hid stuff again!” I get that theres fewer choice and its made for you, but if it hadn't been made for you its actually much more difficult to get it right as a non-tech
- bongodongobob 3y ago
  Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about and I don't share the same experience. I have 20+ years of experience with Windows and Linux. I've installed Windows 7-11 on entire fleets. I've run multiple corporate-wide Windows upgrade projects for multiple companies and environments. I've built gold images and templates for Citrix and VDI environments. There really is no hardware configuration needed at all. I've never had any problems running games or any software in Windows due to drivers or configuration issues. In fact, I run all my creative software specifically in Windows because there's nothing to think about at all. The only time I've had any kind of hardware or driver issues is with external hardware like testing apparatuses or machinery. I haven't had to mess with drivers in Windows in probably 10 years or more.
  - dijit 3y ago
    and? I have also run windows and linux for a long time, server contexts and otherwise (hence why I am aware of that Windows Media bug btw). My personal experience with Linux has been plug and play ever since NDISwrapper wasnt needed for wifi anymore, and aside from some extra repos needed in Fedora for Nvidia. Windows on the other hand had no official public ISO image and we resorted to sharing it around inside Ubisoft because it was annoying to get a new copy of, we had a blessed version which had the issue of not coming with directX, so we had to copy it from someones desktop windows to get our gameservers running. Glad you had a good experience, but mine was better in a professional setting with Linux than windows: and I knew more about what I was doing than most. However: we are mostly talking about desktops, and i was mainly pointing out that most windows users don't have to go to MSDN and get an ISO for their machine or drivers: so safe choices are already made. That doesn’t mean it would be easier given the same non-installed circumstances for the common user.
    - bongodongobob 3y ago
      What time period? That must be pre Windows 7? Or do you mean like a pre activated or volume licensed version? I'm not sure what you mean by official ISO. As far as I'm aware, since 7, you could just download it. Licensing was obviously as separate issue though.
      - dijit 3y ago
        was the Windows 7 nearly 8 era. Was running 2012R2 on the server, there were copies available online of the evaluation edition if you submitted your details, but they wouldn't join a KMS server unless you manually intervened to change the “edition” from evaluation - Joining the domain didnt fix it. 2014-2018 for that directx + download anecdote
        bongodongobob 3y ago
        I mean, 2014 was 10 years ago and 2012 just EoL'd. I agree that era wasn't as easy. But Windows 10 (other than Home) in its maturity, is and has been pretty rock solid, imo. Windows Server is a different topic entirely.
  - olddustytrail 3y ago
    Sure, Windows has no issues. It's why no one actually works supporting Windows. I seriously doubt you've ever even seen a large scale Windows deployment and spend all your time on your "creative software". Is that Powerpoint by any chance?
    - bongodongobob 3y ago
      I've worked with and managed global Windows deployments. I've built domains and AD environments from the ground up and have worked on workgroup->domain migrations and everything that goes along with that. But I'm not here to measure dicks. Creative software being Audacity, Fruityloops, ProTools, Logic, Reaper, various tracker, etc for sound engineering/recording and the Adobe suite for photography and graphics. Ie, my hobbies. I've never had to fiddle with drivers with any of these, just software settings, which is to be expected. My point is that installing Windows applications, even at scale, generally does not require poking or reconfiguring the OS itself. Not sure why you're being rude.

dijit 3y ago

Oh, there is “wrong” windows: aside from the fact you usually dont install it yourself so your edition is chosen. For example Server versions are rarely what you want, or business versions, or IoT versions “Why do I require an online account” (pro? business? enterprise?), “why does this game not work (windows media player being unavailable means certain videos in game engines like Unreal can never play ;))”, “why cant I keep using Windows 7? the new one has a weird taskbar and hid stuff again!” I get that theres fewer choice and its made for you, but if it hadn't been made for you its actually much more difficult to get it right as a non-tech

bongodongobob 3y ago
Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about and I don't share the same experience. I have 20+ years of experience with Windows and Linux. I've installed Windows 7-11 on entire fleets. I've run multiple corporate-wide Windows upgrade projects for multiple companies and environments. I've built gold images and templates for Citrix and VDI environments. There really is no hardware configuration needed at all. I've never had any problems running games or any software in Windows due to drivers or configuration issues. In fact, I run all my creative software specifically in Windows because there's nothing to think about at all. The only time I've had any kind of hardware or driver issues is with external hardware like testing apparatuses or machinery. I haven't had to mess with drivers in Windows in probably 10 years or more.
- dijit 3y ago
  and? I have also run windows and linux for a long time, server contexts and otherwise (hence why I am aware of that Windows Media bug btw). My personal experience with Linux has been plug and play ever since NDISwrapper wasnt needed for wifi anymore, and aside from some extra repos needed in Fedora for Nvidia. Windows on the other hand had no official public ISO image and we resorted to sharing it around inside Ubisoft because it was annoying to get a new copy of, we had a blessed version which had the issue of not coming with directX, so we had to copy it from someones desktop windows to get our gameservers running. Glad you had a good experience, but mine was better in a professional setting with Linux than windows: and I knew more about what I was doing than most. However: we are mostly talking about desktops, and i was mainly pointing out that most windows users don't have to go to MSDN and get an ISO for their machine or drivers: so safe choices are already made. That doesn’t mean it would be easier given the same non-installed circumstances for the common user.
  - bongodongobob 3y ago
    What time period? That must be pre Windows 7? Or do you mean like a pre activated or volume licensed version? I'm not sure what you mean by official ISO. As far as I'm aware, since 7, you could just download it. Licensing was obviously as separate issue though.
    - dijit 3y ago
      was the Windows 7 nearly 8 era. Was running 2012R2 on the server, there were copies available online of the evaluation edition if you submitted your details, but they wouldn't join a KMS server unless you manually intervened to change the “edition” from evaluation - Joining the domain didnt fix it. 2014-2018 for that directx + download anecdote
      - bongodongobob 3y ago
        I mean, 2014 was 10 years ago and 2012 just EoL'd. I agree that era wasn't as easy. But Windows 10 (other than Home) in its maturity, is and has been pretty rock solid, imo. Windows Server is a different topic entirely.
- olddustytrail 3y ago
  Sure, Windows has no issues. It's why no one actually works supporting Windows. I seriously doubt you've ever even seen a large scale Windows deployment and spend all your time on your "creative software". Is that Powerpoint by any chance?
  - bongodongobob 3y ago
    I've worked with and managed global Windows deployments. I've built domains and AD environments from the ground up and have worked on workgroup->domain migrations and everything that goes along with that. But I'm not here to measure dicks. Creative software being Audacity, Fruityloops, ProTools, Logic, Reaper, various tracker, etc for sound engineering/recording and the Adobe suite for photography and graphics. Ie, my hobbies. I've never had to fiddle with drivers with any of these, just software settings, which is to be expected. My point is that installing Windows applications, even at scale, generally does not require poking or reconfiguring the OS itself. Not sure why you're being rude.