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What does “state level powers” even mean? And they’re hardly “opaque”, at least not any more than any other publicly traded company is, and held to similar acco

What does “state level powers” even mean? And they’re hardly “opaque”, at least not any more than any other publicly traded company is, and held to similar account. What do you think they do that’s so above-and-beyond what a non-government organization should be able to do? I wonder if you’re falling for a lot of the marketing hype…

p_j_w 3y ago
> they’re hardly “opaque”, at least not any more than any other publicly traded company is Publicly traded companies are required to report certain financial facts about the company, but they’re still extremely opaque.
- redcobra762 3y ago
  Yes, as a publicly traded company, but not especially so amongst those.
Barrin92 3y ago
>What does “state level powers” even mean? In this case espionage and surveillance, traditionally domains of the state. >What do you think they do that’s so above-and-beyond what a non-government organization should be able to do? They're not subject to privacy legislation and limitations that the police is. There's a concrete exapmle of this, commercial storage of license plate data in the US is largely unregulated, so police units that have legal limitations on how long they can hold citizen data simply go to the private market and buy that data from those firms. That kind of circumvention of the law and outsourcing of responsibility is probably a large part of the Palantir business model. Seems kind of insane to take your tax payer money and use it to buy surveillance data on you, a good chunk of which probably isn't even legal to otherwise collect and completely undermine the rule of law and democratic control of policing.
- redcobra762 3y ago
  Espionage and surveillance is a misrepresentation of what Palintir does; every Fortune 500 company does similar if we use this definition. And they’re not police, so of course they’re not held to that standard, just like you or I aren’t held to that standard.
  - Barrin92 3y ago
    >And they’re not police, so of course they’re not held to that standard That's a strong claim given that Palantir has sold and deployed so called "predictive policing" technology to the police forces of New Orleans[1] (without city council knowledge, so much for the accountability) and even directly advertises itself as a defense company[2]. Their revenue is overwhelmingly contract with national governments, again mostly for police or defense work. That's not how you, I or most Fortune 500 companies do business. [1]https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/17054740/palantir-predictive-policing-tool-new-orleans-nopd https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/17054740/palantir-predict... [2]https://youtu.be/rxKghrZU5w8 https://youtu.be/rxKghrZU5w8
    - redcobra762 3y ago
      It’s in no way a strong claim, as the cleaning services of the New Orleans Police Department are also not police. And it absolutely is how you, I, and every other employed organization works. You seem to not understand what a contractor is.
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p_j_w 3y ago

> they’re hardly “opaque”, at least not any more than any other publicly traded company is Publicly traded companies are required to report certain financial facts about the company, but they’re still extremely opaque.

redcobra762 3y ago
Yes, as a publicly traded company, but not especially so amongst those.

Barrin92 3y ago

>What does “state level powers” even mean? In this case espionage and surveillance, traditionally domains of the state. >What do you think they do that’s so above-and-beyond what a non-government organization should be able to do? They're not subject to privacy legislation and limitations that the police is. There's a concrete exapmle of this, commercial storage of license plate data in the US is largely unregulated, so police units that have legal limitations on how long they can hold citizen data simply go to the private market and buy that data from those firms. That kind of circumvention of the law and outsourcing of responsibility is probably a large part of the Palantir business model. Seems kind of insane to take your tax payer money and use it to buy surveillance data on you, a good chunk of which probably isn't even legal to otherwise collect and completely undermine the rule of law and democratic control of policing.

redcobra762 3y ago
Espionage and surveillance is a misrepresentation of what Palintir does; every Fortune 500 company does similar if we use this definition. And they’re not police, so of course they’re not held to that standard, just like you or I aren’t held to that standard.
- Barrin92 3y ago
  >And they’re not police, so of course they’re not held to that standard That's a strong claim given that Palantir has sold and deployed so called "predictive policing" technology to the police forces of New Orleans[1] (without city council knowledge, so much for the accountability) and even directly advertises itself as a defense company[2]. Their revenue is overwhelmingly contract with national governments, again mostly for police or defense work. That's not how you, I or most Fortune 500 companies do business. [1]https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/17054740/palantir-predictive-policing-tool-new-orleans-nopd https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/17054740/palantir-predict... [2]https://youtu.be/rxKghrZU5w8 https://youtu.be/rxKghrZU5w8
  - redcobra762 3y ago
    It’s in no way a strong claim, as the cleaning services of the New Orleans Police Department are also not police. And it absolutely is how you, I, and every other employed organization works. You seem to not understand what a contractor is.

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