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LTSC cuts down on the user-hostility but the quality of the OS is still terrible - it doesn't fix features that have intentionally been broken/removed/replaced

LTSC cuts down on the user-hostility but the quality of the OS is still terrible - it doesn't fix features that have intentionally been broken/removed/replaced by a half-assed knockoff. You still have the terrible/broken start menu search, useless mobile-themed control panel (which often doesn't have what you want so you end up falling back to the real control panel anyway), etc.

AshamedCaptain 3y ago
Not to mention that everything that depends on an MS account (like the Store) is broken, and these days even adding a second keyboard layout post-installation requires "downloading features from the store".
- wredue 3y ago
  I don’t think it’s a problem to need to download extra keyboard layouts tbh, especially in a smaller image.
  - hakfoo 3y ago
    I think the point is more that "OS Components" - updates, drivers, optional components-- are an entirely different universe than "third-party and purchasable content", which is what you'd expect the "store" to focus on. They should not be using basic OS features as a wedge to make sure you open that precious Store icon and log in. Nobody wants that, and the only person who needs it is some mid-manager at Microsoft whose bonus is tied to store numbers.
- hadrien01 3y ago
  The Store doesn't require an account for free apps or updates.
  - AshamedCaptain 3y ago
    There is no store whatsoever. Anything that requires the store simply freezes.
    - haunter 3y ago
      You can simply enable (download and reinstall) the store in LTSC Powershell/Terminal: "wsreset -i"
      - soraminazuki 3y ago
        That's simply broken though.
- ZFH 3y ago
  You're better off without the Store, but in rare event that it's actually needed for something there are scripts on GitHub to add it back in.
  - majkinetor 3y ago
    you can use winget to install store apps without store.
SteveNuts 3y ago
I recently had the pleasure of migrating a legacy server 2008 app to a brand new server 2022 box. One of the requirements is a local smtp server for sending mail so I looked up how to do this in windows. To my shock and horror, smtp service has been deprecated since server 2012, you can still install it but it comes with an extremely old version of IIS as a dependency and it’s broken out of the box. To get it working you have to dig into some xml files and add parameters. I really wonder how anyone can take a server OS seriously that doesn’t have out of the box first class functionality for smtp, one of the most ubiquitous protocols on the internet.
- nextaccountic 3y ago
  why do you need a smtp server developed by microsoft? isn't windows compatible with a multitude of open source smtp servers?
  - SteveNuts 3y ago
    You don’t, but why ship broken features at all? If I can install something from the OS it shouldn’t come broken and insecure. It just feels like such a strange platform to build a server on to me.
    - mixmastamyk 3y ago
      I’m as disappointed with Windows as anyone, but didn’t you just write it was deprecated? Email use itself is waning and has never had privacy as a guaranteed feature.
    - jimmaswell 3y ago
      They shipped it marked as deprecated to support people already using it, but to discourage new use. You can't really complain after ignoring that warning.
      - SteveNuts 3y ago
        There's no indication it's deprecated, it'll let you install it in its broken state with no warning.

AshamedCaptain 3y ago

Not to mention that everything that depends on an MS account (like the Store) is broken, and these days even adding a second keyboard layout post-installation requires "downloading features from the store".

wredue 3y ago
I don’t think it’s a problem to need to download extra keyboard layouts tbh, especially in a smaller image.
- hakfoo 3y ago
  I think the point is more that "OS Components" - updates, drivers, optional components-- are an entirely different universe than "third-party and purchasable content", which is what you'd expect the "store" to focus on. They should not be using basic OS features as a wedge to make sure you open that precious Store icon and log in. Nobody wants that, and the only person who needs it is some mid-manager at Microsoft whose bonus is tied to store numbers.
hadrien01 3y ago
The Store doesn't require an account for free apps or updates.
- AshamedCaptain 3y ago
  There is no store whatsoever. Anything that requires the store simply freezes.
  - haunter 3y ago
    You can simply enable (download and reinstall) the store in LTSC Powershell/Terminal: "wsreset -i"
    - soraminazuki 3y ago
      That's simply broken though.
ZFH 3y ago
You're better off without the Store, but in rare event that it's actually needed for something there are scripts on GitHub to add it back in.
- majkinetor 3y ago
  you can use winget to install store apps without store.

SteveNuts 3y ago

I recently had the pleasure of migrating a legacy server 2008 app to a brand new server 2022 box. One of the requirements is a local smtp server for sending mail so I looked up how to do this in windows. To my shock and horror, smtp service has been deprecated since server 2012, you can still install it but it comes with an extremely old version of IIS as a dependency and it’s broken out of the box. To get it working you have to dig into some xml files and add parameters. I really wonder how anyone can take a server OS seriously that doesn’t have out of the box first class functionality for smtp, one of the most ubiquitous protocols on the internet.

nextaccountic 3y ago
why do you need a smtp server developed by microsoft? isn't windows compatible with a multitude of open source smtp servers?
- SteveNuts 3y ago
  You don’t, but why ship broken features at all? If I can install something from the OS it shouldn’t come broken and insecure. It just feels like such a strange platform to build a server on to me.
  - mixmastamyk 3y ago
    I’m as disappointed with Windows as anyone, but didn’t you just write it was deprecated? Email use itself is waning and has never had privacy as a guaranteed feature.
  - jimmaswell 3y ago
    They shipped it marked as deprecated to support people already using it, but to discourage new use. You can't really complain after ignoring that warning.
    - SteveNuts 3y ago
      There's no indication it's deprecated, it'll let you install it in its broken state with no warning.