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That’s fine, but sex itself is still a binary concept and is very well defined, and is not controversial. For example, my sex is “0” (and not “1”) because my bo

That’s fine, but sex itself is still a binary concept and is very well defined, and is not controversial. For example, my sex is “0” (and not “1”) because my body is capable of producing “0”-style gametes, not “1”-style gametes (feel free to substitute the usual names for each sex, but you get the point).

snotrockets 3y ago
One of your sexes, perhaps: there isn't a single marker for sex (and some of those we like to think of such markers aren't binary, but we can drop those for this exercise)
- camdenlock 3y ago
  “Markers” are irrelevant. Either your body is capable of producing male gametes or it’s capable of producing female ones.
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    That's just trivial to debunk. Infertile people may produce neither. Less trivial: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/46,XX/46,XY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/46,XX/46,XY https://academic.oup.com/bjs/article-abstract/69/5/279/6185759?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false https://academic.oup.com/bjs/article-abstract/69/5/279/61857... "Ovulation in a cytogenetically proved phenotypically male fertile hermaphrodite" Ovotesticular syndrome: https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/ovotesticular-disorder-of-sex-development/ https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/ovotesticular-disorde...
    - camdenlock 3y ago
      There are still only two types of gametes, and a body may produce only one. Infertility and other disorders don’t change that fact, and your linked material says nothing to contradict this.
      - ceejayoz 3y ago
        You could at least bother to read the titles; "Ovulation in a cytogenetically proved phenotypically male fertile hermaphrodite" is pretty clear. > Histology of his removed ovary suggested that ovulation had, at some time, occurred. He had also fathered a child and this is believed to be the first case of a cytogenetically proved true hermaphrodite who is fertile as a male. That's a single human body that produced both forms of gamete.
        camdenlock 3y ago
        People of ambiguous sex exist, and there are only two sexes. I suspect you’re more than capable of accepting these two truths simultaneously.
        ceejayoz 3y ago
        > For example, my sex is “0” (and not “1”)... So, which is this individual, who produces both forms of gametes? Am I, with no gametes, a null?
        camdenlock 3y ago
        I’m confident that you’ll figure it out on your own.

snotrockets 3y ago

One of your sexes, perhaps: there isn't a single marker for sex (and some of those we like to think of such markers aren't binary, but we can drop those for this exercise)

camdenlock 3y ago
“Markers” are irrelevant. Either your body is capable of producing male gametes or it’s capable of producing female ones.
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  That's just trivial to debunk. Infertile people may produce neither. Less trivial: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/46,XX/46,XY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/46,XX/46,XY https://academic.oup.com/bjs/article-abstract/69/5/279/6185759?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false https://academic.oup.com/bjs/article-abstract/69/5/279/61857... "Ovulation in a cytogenetically proved phenotypically male fertile hermaphrodite" Ovotesticular syndrome: https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/ovotesticular-disorder-of-sex-development/ https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/ovotesticular-disorde...
  - camdenlock 3y ago
    There are still only two types of gametes, and a body may produce only one. Infertility and other disorders don’t change that fact, and your linked material says nothing to contradict this.
    - ceejayoz 3y ago
      You could at least bother to read the titles; "Ovulation in a cytogenetically proved phenotypically male fertile hermaphrodite" is pretty clear. > Histology of his removed ovary suggested that ovulation had, at some time, occurred. He had also fathered a child and this is believed to be the first case of a cytogenetically proved true hermaphrodite who is fertile as a male. That's a single human body that produced both forms of gamete.
      - camdenlock 3y ago
        People of ambiguous sex exist, and there are only two sexes. I suspect you’re more than capable of accepting these two truths simultaneously.
        ceejayoz 3y ago
        > For example, my sex is “0” (and not “1”)... So, which is this individual, who produces both forms of gametes? Am I, with no gametes, a null?
        camdenlock 3y ago
        I’m confident that you’ll figure it out on your own.