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> The US is funding an openly genocidal regime that is killing a child every ten minutes, saying there's "no red line". That's your political opinion. > Maybe

> The US is funding an openly genocidal regime that is killing a child every ten minutes, saying there's "no red line". That's your political opinion. > Maybe if the wilfully politically ignorant could figure out how to write good character driven stories, those people would have options. But for some reason, people with good souls and hearts write the best stories... And people without them write inane drivel that fails to connect on any deep level, ever. That's your political opinion. I don't see why it's not an obvious truth that sometimes people prefer not to have to think about politics or political ideology. And to suggest art or entertainment devoid of political ideology is "drivel" or for people without "good souls and hearts" is baffling.

treyd 3y ago
> That's your political opinion [that the US is funding a regime] https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/11/1143772 https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/11/1143772 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/palestinian-children-death-trauma-israel-bombing-hamas-rcna122113 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/palestinian-children-deat... It seems like a pretty apolitical and objective statement to me. Perhaps not as fast as every 10 minutes but probably not far off.
- flumpcakes 3y ago
  Where in those articles is the conclusive fact that Israel is an "openly genocidal regime". Was America openly genocidal for the civilian deaths in WW2? I would say Russia is openly genocidal, but ask a Russian and they say they are saving their Ukrainian cousins and it's Kyiv that is openly genocidal to Russians. If dead children makes a genocide then nearly every war ever fought was genocide. Israel will say they have teams of lawyers reviewing every strike and if the civilian to combatant or military objective ratio is within the bounds of international law then they will strike. The geneva convention is pretty clear on when civilian areas stop becoming protected.
Cthulhu_ 3y ago
They are facts; what your reaction or feelings about those facts are, is not a question of opinion and/or politics, but of morals and values. The question is not "is the murder of a child in line with my political views", it's "is the murder of a child in line with my own morals", which transcends politics.
- flumpcakes 3y ago
  The death of a child in a war can be against someones' morals but legal and not an act of genocide. For example, when fighting child soldiers, or human shields, etc.
  - mandmandam 3y ago
    What's your definition of genocide? Surely when every major genocide researcher and lawyer, human rights groups, etc are all shouting at the top of their lungs that this is the worst genocide this century, you'd try a little harder to make your case. I call what's happening in Gaza and the WB genocide. Clearly, and to a horrific degree. I have nightmares about it that linger with me for weeks. I've seen full HD horrors and atrocities being committed for 92 days now. I've seen outrageous lies - beheaded babies, mass rapes - promulgated by corporate media and even the POTUS, all as a thousand very real babies have been murdered. Netanyahu is still repeating the beheaded babies lie. It's farcical, and I truly believe that only a highly deranged mind could fall for it. And yet at least 80% of Israelis think there hasn't been enough violence. It's a horror beyond comprehension. I don't get why people are tolerating such genocide denial tbh. It's nice that we're so polite here, but like ... read the room. And by the room, I mean the vast majority of every single population outside of Israel; who all want the same thing: just stop killing so many people Israel, ffs. Just stop killing people, and treat them like humans. It's not a big ask. It's not political. It's important, and if you try to tell people not to talk about it you can expect pushback.
    - sigzero 3y ago
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mandmandam 3y ago
> > The US is funding an openly genocidal regime that is killing a child every ten minutes, saying there's "no red line". > That's your political opinion. Not really, no. They have said as much themselves. "There is no red line" is a direct quote. Zionists, aka the ones committing and supporting this particularly heinous genocide, consider it a political view - no one else. Zionists say it's complicated, it's self defense; even as they openly state their true intent [0]. But the entire rest of the fucking planet considers it wanton murder, genocide, and ethnic cleansing. We're heartbroken, we're furious, and we'll not stop talking about it until it ends. > I don't see why it's not an obvious truth that sometimes people prefer not to have to think about politics or political ideology. I explained why, as did other commenters. If you want to be ignorant and apathetic towards 'politics' (inequality and genocide and the planet burning for profit) that's your problem. Not mine. But it's a bit rich to then complain that you can't find good character driven stories, that enable and support such an apathetic and delusional choice of worldview. > to suggest art or entertainment devoid of political ideology is "drivel" or for people without "good souls and hearts" is baffling. I didn't. I 'suggested' that if you want good stories devoid of 'political content' then maybe you can't find them because vapid and ignorant and soulless people don't write very good stories. If you can find them, then why bother complaining that other people are discussing and enjoying 'political' content. 0 - https://law4palestine.org/law-for-palestine-releases-database-with-500-instances-of-israeli-incitement-to-genocide-continuously-updated/ https://law4palestine.org/law-for-palestine-releases-databas...
- flumpcakes 3y ago
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- anjel 3y ago
  As a thought exercise: What would happen next if the Palestinians laid down their arms and renowned warfare? What would happen next if the Israelis laid down their arms and renounced warfare?
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treyd 3y ago

> That's your political opinion [that the US is funding a regime] https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/11/1143772 https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/11/1143772 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/palestinian-children-death-trauma-israel-bombing-hamas-rcna122113 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/palestinian-children-deat... It seems like a pretty apolitical and objective statement to me. Perhaps not as fast as every 10 minutes but probably not far off.

flumpcakes 3y ago
Where in those articles is the conclusive fact that Israel is an "openly genocidal regime". Was America openly genocidal for the civilian deaths in WW2? I would say Russia is openly genocidal, but ask a Russian and they say they are saving their Ukrainian cousins and it's Kyiv that is openly genocidal to Russians. If dead children makes a genocide then nearly every war ever fought was genocide. Israel will say they have teams of lawyers reviewing every strike and if the civilian to combatant or military objective ratio is within the bounds of international law then they will strike. The geneva convention is pretty clear on when civilian areas stop becoming protected.

Cthulhu_ 3y ago

They are facts; what your reaction or feelings about those facts are, is not a question of opinion and/or politics, but of morals and values. The question is not "is the murder of a child in line with my political views", it's "is the murder of a child in line with my own morals", which transcends politics.

flumpcakes 3y ago
The death of a child in a war can be against someones' morals but legal and not an act of genocide. For example, when fighting child soldiers, or human shields, etc.
- mandmandam 3y ago
  What's your definition of genocide? Surely when every major genocide researcher and lawyer, human rights groups, etc are all shouting at the top of their lungs that this is the worst genocide this century, you'd try a little harder to make your case. I call what's happening in Gaza and the WB genocide. Clearly, and to a horrific degree. I have nightmares about it that linger with me for weeks. I've seen full HD horrors and atrocities being committed for 92 days now. I've seen outrageous lies - beheaded babies, mass rapes - promulgated by corporate media and even the POTUS, all as a thousand very real babies have been murdered. Netanyahu is still repeating the beheaded babies lie. It's farcical, and I truly believe that only a highly deranged mind could fall for it. And yet at least 80% of Israelis think there hasn't been enough violence. It's a horror beyond comprehension. I don't get why people are tolerating such genocide denial tbh. It's nice that we're so polite here, but like ... read the room. And by the room, I mean the vast majority of every single population outside of Israel; who all want the same thing: just stop killing so many people Israel, ffs. Just stop killing people, and treat them like humans. It's not a big ask. It's not political. It's important, and if you try to tell people not to talk about it you can expect pushback.
  - sigzero 3y ago
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mandmandam 3y ago

> > The US is funding an openly genocidal regime that is killing a child every ten minutes, saying there's "no red line". > That's your political opinion. Not really, no. They have said as much themselves. "There is no red line" is a direct quote. Zionists, aka the ones committing and supporting this particularly heinous genocide, consider it a political view - no one else. Zionists say it's complicated, it's self defense; even as they openly state their true intent [0]. But the entire rest of the fucking planet considers it wanton murder, genocide, and ethnic cleansing. We're heartbroken, we're furious, and we'll not stop talking about it until it ends. > I don't see why it's not an obvious truth that sometimes people prefer not to have to think about politics or political ideology. I explained why, as did other commenters. If you want to be ignorant and apathetic towards 'politics' (inequality and genocide and the planet burning for profit) that's your problem. Not mine. But it's a bit rich to then complain that you can't find good character driven stories, that enable and support such an apathetic and delusional choice of worldview. > to suggest art or entertainment devoid of political ideology is "drivel" or for people without "good souls and hearts" is baffling. I didn't. I 'suggested' that if you want good stories devoid of 'political content' then maybe you can't find them because vapid and ignorant and soulless people don't write very good stories. If you can find them, then why bother complaining that other people are discussing and enjoying 'political' content. 0 - https://law4palestine.org/law-for-palestine-releases-database-with-500-instances-of-israeli-incitement-to-genocide-continuously-updated/ https://law4palestine.org/law-for-palestine-releases-databas...

flumpcakes 3y ago
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anjel 3y ago
As a thought exercise: What would happen next if the Palestinians laid down their arms and renowned warfare? What would happen next if the Israelis laid down their arms and renounced warfare?
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