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Nothing racist about it. China has a global network of shadow secret police stations on universities, controlling and using Chinese studying abroad to spy. Its

by tokai 3y ago

Nothing racist about it. China has a global network of shadow secret police stations on universities, controlling and using Chinese studying abroad to spy. Its a documented fact. Would be racist to just deny Chinese students whole sales, but its just prudent to deny cases with obvious connections to Chinese military, intelligence, etc. Also for the protection of our expat Chinese students that are surveilled and can get in a lot of trouble back home if their behavior abroad is deemed subversive.

xtian 3y ago
Where has it been documented? What is the evidence?
- tokai 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_police_overseas_service_stations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_police_overseas_servic...
- VWWHFSfQ 3y ago
  https://www.npr.org/2023/04/17/1170571626/fbi-arrests-2-on-charges-tied-to-chinese-outpost-in-new-york-city https://www.npr.org/2023/04/17/1170571626/fbi-arrests-2-on-c... These are very common. The NYPD and FBI have just now starting busting them up.
  - xtian 3y ago
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User23 3y ago
Oh it’s definitely racial discrimination against Han Chinese, which is to say “racism.” The question is whether racial discrimination is justified in this case. Many people don’t know this since they think the the USA’s late imperial citizenship model is universal, but the Chinese state claims global jurisdiction over all Chinese persons and they don’t determine who is a Chinese person on the basis of papers issued by foreign governments.
elzbardico 3y ago
So, does the US. We always knew that, and they always knew that too. Until recently, we considered this not a factor, because most Chinese students would stay in the US or come back later, so we could get a constant flow of highly trained individuals with most of their training having been financed by someone else. Now things are changing, globalization is being reverted, and the benefit equation has changed, because now, as those students get back to China, it is now us the ones financing the fixed costs of the educational infrastructure to benefit China.

by tokai 3y ago

xtian 3y ago

Where has it been documented? What is the evidence?

tokai 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_police_overseas_service_stations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_police_overseas_servic...
VWWHFSfQ 3y ago
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/17/1170571626/fbi-arrests-2-on-charges-tied-to-chinese-outpost-in-new-york-city https://www.npr.org/2023/04/17/1170571626/fbi-arrests-2-on-c... These are very common. The NYPD and FBI have just now starting busting them up.
- xtian 3y ago
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User23 3y ago

Oh it’s definitely racial discrimination against Han Chinese, which is to say “racism.” The question is whether racial discrimination is justified in this case. Many people don’t know this since they think the the USA’s late imperial citizenship model is universal, but the Chinese state claims global jurisdiction over all Chinese persons and they don’t determine who is a Chinese person on the basis of papers issued by foreign governments.

elzbardico 3y ago

So, does the US. We always knew that, and they always knew that too. Until recently, we considered this not a factor, because most Chinese students would stay in the US or come back later, so we could get a constant flow of highly trained individuals with most of their training having been financed by someone else. Now things are changing, globalization is being reverted, and the benefit equation has changed, because now, as those students get back to China, it is now us the ones financing the fixed costs of the educational infrastructure to benefit China.