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“Guaranteeing Inbox Delivery and Spam Avoidance.” No details as to how. Am not sure this can be guaranteed.

kurthr 3y ago
My bank and insurance companies can't regularly and reliably deliver their "paperless" email. Not sure anyone can unless they own the infrastructure. Just getting 50% of your sent mail to their readable inbox is difficult enough. Google groups can't even deliver mail to Yahoo (blacklisted).
- magnetic 3y ago
  I take advantage of paperless options everywhere and got burned by the "Paperless DMV Vehicle Renewal Notice" going to SPAM. I had to pay pretty hefty late fee (a few hundred dollars). Since that event, I've flipped the switch back to "snail mail" and will resist the constant nagging until they implement a paper fallback (i.e. notify by email first and if it's not paid within X weeks of deadline, fire off a paper notification).
  - cinntaile 3y ago
    Tell your government to create an electronic mail service that you log into using your ID for all your government communication. Spam doesn't exist there.
    - declan_roberts 3y ago
      The federal government doesn’t administer state and local taxes and doesn’t care.
    - XCSme 3y ago
      They have this in Netherlands: https://mijn.overheid.nl/about-mijnoverheid/ https://mijn.overheid.nl/about-mijnoverheid/
  - declan_roberts 3y ago
    I had a similar situation with property taxes. But somehow that “paperless” box keeps getting checked despite me being very careful not to use it.
  - otteromkram 3y ago
    Why would you filter any sender with a ".gov" domain (in the US, at least) to spam. Also, don't you check your spam folder? Or, do you just straight up delete everything once the "pile" gets too big? Sounds like a "you" problem, not a delivery problem.
    - smohare 3y ago
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mddanishyusuf 3y ago
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- judge2020 3y ago
  Except that inbox deliverability is not "oh your domain is verified? free pass". So many things nowadays play a part into whether you hit spam filters - the content of your post and how 'spammy' it looks, whether or not you have an unsubscribe button (if not, your message better look extremely transactional), the history of click-through rates on your domain (if you send stuff for a week straight and nobody ever clicks on it, chances are you're sending unsolicited emails). DKIM/SPF is only to validate that the sender isn't masquerading as your domain, and is what enables your emails to have a fighting chance of creating and maintaining good reputation status with the spam filter algorithms/ML models. Past that, your emails need to be useful and solicited or you're just sending spam from a verified domain.
eli 3y ago
Presumably you get your monthly fee back if not.

My bank and insurance companies can't regularly and reliably deliver their "paperless" email. Not sure anyone can unless they own the infrastructure. Just getting 50% of your sent mail to their readable inbox is difficult enough. Google groups can't even deliver mail to Yahoo (blacklisted).

magnetic 3y ago
I take advantage of paperless options everywhere and got burned by the "Paperless DMV Vehicle Renewal Notice" going to SPAM. I had to pay pretty hefty late fee (a few hundred dollars). Since that event, I've flipped the switch back to "snail mail" and will resist the constant nagging until they implement a paper fallback (i.e. notify by email first and if it's not paid within X weeks of deadline, fire off a paper notification).
- cinntaile 3y ago
  Tell your government to create an electronic mail service that you log into using your ID for all your government communication. Spam doesn't exist there.
  - declan_roberts 3y ago
    The federal government doesn’t administer state and local taxes and doesn’t care.
  - XCSme 3y ago
    They have this in Netherlands: https://mijn.overheid.nl/about-mijnoverheid/ https://mijn.overheid.nl/about-mijnoverheid/
- declan_roberts 3y ago
  I had a similar situation with property taxes. But somehow that “paperless” box keeps getting checked despite me being very careful not to use it.
- otteromkram 3y ago
  Why would you filter any sender with a ".gov" domain (in the US, at least) to spam. Also, don't you check your spam folder? Or, do you just straight up delete everything once the "pile" gets too big? Sounds like a "you" problem, not a delivery problem.
  - smohare 3y ago
    [dead]

mddanishyusuf 3y ago

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judge2020 3y ago
Except that inbox deliverability is not "oh your domain is verified? free pass". So many things nowadays play a part into whether you hit spam filters - the content of your post and how 'spammy' it looks, whether or not you have an unsubscribe button (if not, your message better look extremely transactional), the history of click-through rates on your domain (if you send stuff for a week straight and nobody ever clicks on it, chances are you're sending unsolicited emails). DKIM/SPF is only to validate that the sender isn't masquerading as your domain, and is what enables your emails to have a fighting chance of creating and maintaining good reputation status with the spam filter algorithms/ML models. Past that, your emails need to be useful and solicited or you're just sending spam from a verified domain.

eli 3y ago

Presumably you get your monthly fee back if not.