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You forget to mention that such land also is not connected to the electrical grid, sewage or running water. And you can't force utilities to provide the connect

You forget to mention that such land also is not connected to the electrical grid, sewage or running water. And you can't force utilities to provide the connection because the land is not meant to be used for buildings so they don't have to provide such connections. And in many situations you can't officially live there, so can't provide the address of that land as your home address in a bank, to your employer etc. In fact, it's quite common that such a piece of land doesn't even have an address to begin with so no mail or Amazon delivery for you

yetihehe 3y ago
> it's quite common that such a piece of land doesn't even have an address to begin with so no mail or Amazon delivery for you In europe we currently have a lot of automatic package boxes/deliveromats, where you can actually provide ANY nearby address and receive the package when you want. Only valid phone number is required to get notifications when your package has arrived. It's typically the cheapest delivery option. As for utilities - you can get some solar panels, water pump and some large tank for rainwater and self-contained bio-degrading sewage tank, which will only need some cheap bacterial pellets to work without any need for sewage truck. I don't know how it's professionally called, but I've seen it installed and working for several years without any problem. The trees and grass on discharge pipes were pretty fast growing, so you could probably plant some nice vegetables there after several years. But such installations probably cross the threshold for "oficially living there".
ghusto 3y ago
None of that seems like an issue to me, all of them can be worked around. Especially the Amazon delivery, which I think wouldn't be in keeping with the type of need that someone who wants to do this would have.
- pi-e-sigma 3y ago
  Like what? You enter 'the blue RV behind the big Oak on that dirt road that doesn't even have a name' in the address field for the deliveries?
  - Turing_Machine 3y ago
    I don't know about Europe, but in the United States there are private mail centers that you can use for both letters and package deliveries. UPS Stores (a private company, not USPS, which is quasi-governmental) are one among several. They give you (what looks like) a normal street address, so Amazon or whoever has no way of telling. https://www.theupsstore.com/mailboxes/personal-mailboxes https://www.theupsstore.com/mailboxes/personal-mailboxes
  - ghusto 3y ago
    You're worried about the deliveries?! ;D That's actually the easiest to sort out, at least in the Netherlands. You just get it delivered to one of the delivery lockers. More hassle is the water situation, but like I said you can work around these things if you have time and patience — and living off grid like this will allow for that. EDIT: Now that I think about it, I suspect you're coming at this thinking of the land being in some baron backwater. We don't have the luxury of being able to live in the middle of nowhere here. Even "nowhere" is a few kilometres away from "somewhere".

yetihehe 3y ago

> it's quite common that such a piece of land doesn't even have an address to begin with so no mail or Amazon delivery for you In europe we currently have a lot of automatic package boxes/deliveromats, where you can actually provide ANY nearby address and receive the package when you want. Only valid phone number is required to get notifications when your package has arrived. It's typically the cheapest delivery option. As for utilities - you can get some solar panels, water pump and some large tank for rainwater and self-contained bio-degrading sewage tank, which will only need some cheap bacterial pellets to work without any need for sewage truck. I don't know how it's professionally called, but I've seen it installed and working for several years without any problem. The trees and grass on discharge pipes were pretty fast growing, so you could probably plant some nice vegetables there after several years. But such installations probably cross the threshold for "oficially living there".

ghusto 3y ago

None of that seems like an issue to me, all of them can be worked around. Especially the Amazon delivery, which I think wouldn't be in keeping with the type of need that someone who wants to do this would have.

pi-e-sigma 3y ago
Like what? You enter 'the blue RV behind the big Oak on that dirt road that doesn't even have a name' in the address field for the deliveries?
- Turing_Machine 3y ago
  I don't know about Europe, but in the United States there are private mail centers that you can use for both letters and package deliveries. UPS Stores (a private company, not USPS, which is quasi-governmental) are one among several. They give you (what looks like) a normal street address, so Amazon or whoever has no way of telling. https://www.theupsstore.com/mailboxes/personal-mailboxes https://www.theupsstore.com/mailboxes/personal-mailboxes
- ghusto 3y ago
  You're worried about the deliveries?! ;D That's actually the easiest to sort out, at least in the Netherlands. You just get it delivered to one of the delivery lockers. More hassle is the water situation, but like I said you can work around these things if you have time and patience — and living off grid like this will allow for that. EDIT: Now that I think about it, I suspect you're coming at this thinking of the land being in some baron backwater. We don't have the luxury of being able to live in the middle of nowhere here. Even "nowhere" is a few kilometres away from "somewhere".