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« The world is shit, multiple genocides rage on, the world seems hell-bent on a rightward turn as the capital class’ wealth extraction schemes go on and on » A

by bsaul 3y ago

« The world is shit, multiple genocides rage on, the world seems hell-bent on a rightward turn as the capital class’ wealth extraction schemes go on and on » Am i the only one a bit bored by the « far left / marxist artist » cliché ?

master-lincoln 3y ago
You are bored of many artists being in a similar region on the political spectrum? What does that even mean? Are you excited about the old white man leaning right cliché instead?
- mihaic 3y ago
  > You are bored of many artists being in a similar region on the political spectrum? Yes, there should be a bit more diversity in the type of stories/heroes/villains we're being presented with. The fact that US culture has two poles of thought makes for many unexplored avenues. Stories like Sandman or the Metabarons would have a hard time in being explored in modern US paradigms, since everything would need to be deformed to fit into boxes. At least that's my interpretation.
  - bsaul 3y ago
    Totally agree. Politics and ideology is ruining imagination and fantasy. It's a disaster that i hope is soon going to be over, so we can find poetry and dreams back.
    - master-lincoln 3y ago
      How does imagination and fantasy get ruined by politics? The commercial publication of entertainment material that was created using imagination and fantasy might be influenced by politics, but that is not the same. As for commercial success you need to be popular and certain behaviors are just not popular enough anymore (I assume this is what you refer to) There is still racist poetry out there and people still have dreams with inappropriate actions in them. I fail to see your point
  - master-lincoln 3y ago
    Wasn't there a Sandman series produced in the US 2002? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sandman_(TV_series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sandman_(TV_series)
    - mihaic 3y ago
      You mean 2022, right? Yes, it did appear, but not as an original work. To me the adaptation felt worsened by modern ideology. John Constantine was change to Johanna Constantine, a worse written character, while at the same time the comic actually had a great storyline with a Johanna Constantine, one of his ancestors. Honestly, I'm not sure if you're trying to understand why those like me see a decrease in quality and in idea diversity, or are simply arguing the opposite regardless of what we say.
  - bigbillheck 3y ago
    > Stories like ... the Metabarons would have a hard time in being explored in modern US paradigms According to the generally-agreed-upon historical record, Metabarons appeared in French a full decade before its US publication.
froggertoaster 3y ago
No, you are certainly not.
- mandmandam 3y ago
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subtra3t 3y ago
It seems like the kind of thing the pseudo-intellectuals at HN/reddit/etc would lap up though so you can't say it's not working for the author.
broscillator 3y ago
Are you not also bored of the "X is woke" complainers cliché?
JKCalhoun 3y ago
(I read your comment after having just read about more and more Americans forced to live out of their cars on the front page of HN.)
heresie-dabord 3y ago
> a bit bored by the « far left / marxist artist » cliché ? I'm not bored, not in the least. For the sake of discussion, tell us more about what exactly bores you. You needn't agree with the author of the post, but the author appears to take an interest in history and current events, and he loves art and cares about ideas. Art and ideas are distinguishing facets of human existence. Art and ideas are everywhere. History does repeat itself, but events cannot be boring to those who face them.
causality0 3y ago
The author obviously has a bone to pick since they bring up this perspective for every single comic on the list, but that doesn't make them bad comics.
batch12 3y ago
Not exactly that, but for me it's squeezing politics into almost everything. It doesn't matter if I agree or disagree, it all feels like propaganda.
- deleted 3y ago
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bitwize 3y ago
Hey, late-stage capitalism is a compelling dystopian setting... and it's actually happening.

by bsaul 3y ago

master-lincoln 3y ago

You are bored of many artists being in a similar region on the political spectrum? What does that even mean? Are you excited about the old white man leaning right cliché instead?

mihaic 3y ago
> You are bored of many artists being in a similar region on the political spectrum? Yes, there should be a bit more diversity in the type of stories/heroes/villains we're being presented with. The fact that US culture has two poles of thought makes for many unexplored avenues. Stories like Sandman or the Metabarons would have a hard time in being explored in modern US paradigms, since everything would need to be deformed to fit into boxes. At least that's my interpretation.
- bsaul 3y ago
  Totally agree. Politics and ideology is ruining imagination and fantasy. It's a disaster that i hope is soon going to be over, so we can find poetry and dreams back.
  - master-lincoln 3y ago
    How does imagination and fantasy get ruined by politics? The commercial publication of entertainment material that was created using imagination and fantasy might be influenced by politics, but that is not the same. As for commercial success you need to be popular and certain behaviors are just not popular enough anymore (I assume this is what you refer to) There is still racist poetry out there and people still have dreams with inappropriate actions in them. I fail to see your point
- master-lincoln 3y ago
  Wasn't there a Sandman series produced in the US 2002? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sandman_(TV_series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sandman_(TV_series)
  - mihaic 3y ago
    You mean 2022, right? Yes, it did appear, but not as an original work. To me the adaptation felt worsened by modern ideology. John Constantine was change to Johanna Constantine, a worse written character, while at the same time the comic actually had a great storyline with a Johanna Constantine, one of his ancestors. Honestly, I'm not sure if you're trying to understand why those like me see a decrease in quality and in idea diversity, or are simply arguing the opposite regardless of what we say.
- bigbillheck 3y ago
  > Stories like ... the Metabarons would have a hard time in being explored in modern US paradigms According to the generally-agreed-upon historical record, Metabarons appeared in French a full decade before its US publication.

froggertoaster 3y ago

No, you are certainly not.

mandmandam 3y ago
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subtra3t 3y ago

It seems like the kind of thing the pseudo-intellectuals at HN/reddit/etc would lap up though so you can't say it's not working for the author.

broscillator 3y ago

Are you not also bored of the "X is woke" complainers cliché?

JKCalhoun 3y ago

(I read your comment after having just read about more and more Americans forced to live out of their cars on the front page of HN.)

heresie-dabord 3y ago

> a bit bored by the « far left / marxist artist » cliché ? I'm not bored, not in the least. For the sake of discussion, tell us more about what exactly bores you. You needn't agree with the author of the post, but the author appears to take an interest in history and current events, and he loves art and cares about ideas. Art and ideas are distinguishing facets of human existence. Art and ideas are everywhere. History does repeat itself, but events cannot be boring to those who face them.

causality0 3y ago

The author obviously has a bone to pick since they bring up this perspective for every single comic on the list, but that doesn't make them bad comics.

batch12 3y ago

Not exactly that, but for me it's squeezing politics into almost everything. It doesn't matter if I agree or disagree, it all feels like propaganda.

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bitwize 3y ago

Hey, late-stage capitalism is a compelling dystopian setting... and it's actually happening.