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We are seeing the re-emergence of a form of persistent nomadism, as cost-of-living crisis forces people to abandon (or escape from) the liabilities which come f

We are seeing the re-emergence of a form of persistent nomadism, as cost-of-living crisis forces people to abandon (or escape from) the liabilities which come from sedentary living. The cost to kit out and maintain a vehicle is not trivial but almost certainly less than keeping up monthly rental or mortgage payments. This is not without precedent - DNA analysis of the Irish Traveller community traces genealogy back to the displacement of previously sedentary Irish nobility who refused to bend the knee to the English in the aftermath of the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland and were forced from their properties to become permanent itinerants in their own land

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mcmcmc 3y ago
You only have to go back 100 years, just look at the Dust Bowl and the Great Depression. It's literally the story from the Grapes of Wrath.
Dalewyn 3y ago
You're still going to need a street address somewhere for tax and other legal purposes, including registering and titling that car or RV. Before anyone says "just use a PO box for that", those need a street address too (and also proof of residing in the city or county the PO box is located in). Plenty of services also refuse PO boxes too, including vehicle titles/registrations and a driver's license. Yes, you could try convincing a very good friend or family member to lend you their street address if you really can't or won't pay for a place of residence yourself, but that's literally leeching off their generosity and good will which doesn't sound like a nice way of living if you ask me.
- raincole 3y ago
  Can I rent out my street address as a mailbox on demand? Or more importantly, can one rent out their address to multiple people?
  - avery17 3y ago
    The problem here is they could try to claim residency and sue you for illegally evicting them and then they move in for free and stay as long as legally possible.
    - pi-e-sigma 3y ago
      Also debt collectors could also show up and just take your shit because the assumption would be that since it's at the debtor address, then it is his, unless you can prove otherwise, but I'm sure you keep invoices with your name for all your stuff, should such a need araised. People are really naïve if they think that providing their address to others is without any risks.
  - liveoneggs 3y ago
    yes but you'll be competing with a few services like https://escapees.com/mail-service/domicile/florida/ https://escapees.com/mail-service/domicile/florida/
- j4yav 3y ago
  If I had a family member or friend facing homelessness or this kind of nomadic lifestyle, I certainly wouldn't consider them leeches for asking for help.
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    If it was a friend/family asking for a place while they get back on their feet, by all means. We all have our tragedies. But if it's for an entire lifestyle? Unless it's a very good friend or a family member I really like regardless of blood, I'm going to either refuse or ask they compensate me somehow; it won't be cheap, and I'll bring in lawyers and CPAs as necessary with notarized documents to cover my ass. And were the shoes reversed, I wouldn't ask someone of this. It's leeching and a Damocles sword.
    - j4yav 3y ago
      I don’t understand what you mean by entire lifestyle. The article and discussion is about semi-homeless people living in their car. Are you imagining your family and friends doing this specifically to be leeches and you’re worried about subsidising their fun, no-responsibility lifestyle, like they are on an vacation or something?
      - Dalewyn 3y ago
        You mentioned it yourself: A nomadic lifestyle. I am perfectly happy lending a hand to friends and family for whom the sky decided now was their turn to get dropped on. Shit happens to the best of us. But that's a different story to enabling someone's lifestyle. My hospitality doesn't extend that far, let alone generosity. Unless you're somehow insinuating that being homeless is a lifestyle, which I would vehemently disagree with. Even if there was (and there probably is) a lifestyle that doesn't involve a home, it's most certainly not called being homeless.
        j4yav 3y ago
        I thought in this thread we were discussing homelessness and a persistent nomadic lifestyle as a result of a cost of living crisis? It sounds like you must be referring to something people are choosing to do for fun or specifically because they want to take your hard earned stuff from you. In which case.. sure? Don’t give them your stuff then? But nobody said the magic word “lifestyle” before you called them leeches. > We are seeing the re-emergence of a form of persistent nomadism, as cost-of-living crisis forces people to abandon (or escape from) the liabilities which come from sedentary living. The cost to kit out and maintain a vehicle is not trivial but almost certainly less than keeping up monthly rental or mortgage payments.
- Palmik 3y ago
  > Yes, you could try convincing a very good friend or family member to lend you their street address if you really can't or won't pay for a place of residence yourself. In what way is that leeching? I would have no problem letting a family member do that.
- nunez 3y ago
  iPostal1 has you covered there. You get a real address (not a PO Box) that is accepted by just about everyone. The postage company behind that address can scan documents for you and even forward your packages somewhere else. You can even get a phone # with them. $9.99/mo excluding package pickups and other operations. I have been using them for three years now and really like them.
- avery17 3y ago
  Friend of mine has a po box. For services that dont accept it he lists the address of the post office with an apartment number. They dont like it but he still gets his mail.
  - kencausey 3y ago
    I'm not sure if your friend is in the US but: https://www.usps.com/manage/po-boxes.htm#streetaddress https://www.usps.com/manage/po-boxes.htm#streetaddress
    - Dalewyn 3y ago
      Relevant part from the cited reference document: >You may not use the PO Box “street address” option as your physical residence or place of business in Legal documents. Misuse of Street Addressing Service may violate civil and criminal laws and may result in USPS closing your PO Box. So that service is strictly for receiving non-USPS shipments at the PO box, and either way the PO box needs to be rooted in a street address (your place of residence) anyway. Of course, whether someone will actually check is anyone's guess. Probably not, if we're being realistic. But you will be in trouble if it's brought to someone's attention.
RivieraKid 3y ago
Why has the cost of living seemingly gone up across the world? Is there a consensus about this?
- aaomidi 3y ago
  Inequality is on the rise globally.
  - buzzert 3y ago
    Inequality != poverty. You think if there was a society of 90 millionaires and 10 billionaires, people would be complaining about inequality? Of course not, because the real problem is what people can afford, and what the base standard of living is. That has nothing to do with inequality (unless those at the top are putting their thumb on the scale somehow, by buying up real estate and not using it, for instance).

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mcmcmc 3y ago

You only have to go back 100 years, just look at the Dust Bowl and the Great Depression. It's literally the story from the Grapes of Wrath.

Dalewyn 3y ago

You're still going to need a street address somewhere for tax and other legal purposes, including registering and titling that car or RV. Before anyone says "just use a PO box for that", those need a street address too (and also proof of residing in the city or county the PO box is located in). Plenty of services also refuse PO boxes too, including vehicle titles/registrations and a driver's license. Yes, you could try convincing a very good friend or family member to lend you their street address if you really can't or won't pay for a place of residence yourself, but that's literally leeching off their generosity and good will which doesn't sound like a nice way of living if you ask me.

raincole 3y ago
Can I rent out my street address as a mailbox on demand? Or more importantly, can one rent out their address to multiple people?
- avery17 3y ago
  The problem here is they could try to claim residency and sue you for illegally evicting them and then they move in for free and stay as long as legally possible.
  - pi-e-sigma 3y ago
    Also debt collectors could also show up and just take your shit because the assumption would be that since it's at the debtor address, then it is his, unless you can prove otherwise, but I'm sure you keep invoices with your name for all your stuff, should such a need araised. People are really naïve if they think that providing their address to others is without any risks.
- liveoneggs 3y ago
  yes but you'll be competing with a few services like https://escapees.com/mail-service/domicile/florida/ https://escapees.com/mail-service/domicile/florida/
j4yav 3y ago
If I had a family member or friend facing homelessness or this kind of nomadic lifestyle, I certainly wouldn't consider them leeches for asking for help.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  If it was a friend/family asking for a place while they get back on their feet, by all means. We all have our tragedies. But if it's for an entire lifestyle? Unless it's a very good friend or a family member I really like regardless of blood, I'm going to either refuse or ask they compensate me somehow; it won't be cheap, and I'll bring in lawyers and CPAs as necessary with notarized documents to cover my ass. And were the shoes reversed, I wouldn't ask someone of this. It's leeching and a Damocles sword.
  - j4yav 3y ago
    I don’t understand what you mean by entire lifestyle. The article and discussion is about semi-homeless people living in their car. Are you imagining your family and friends doing this specifically to be leeches and you’re worried about subsidising their fun, no-responsibility lifestyle, like they are on an vacation or something?
    - Dalewyn 3y ago
      You mentioned it yourself: A nomadic lifestyle. I am perfectly happy lending a hand to friends and family for whom the sky decided now was their turn to get dropped on. Shit happens to the best of us. But that's a different story to enabling someone's lifestyle. My hospitality doesn't extend that far, let alone generosity. Unless you're somehow insinuating that being homeless is a lifestyle, which I would vehemently disagree with. Even if there was (and there probably is) a lifestyle that doesn't involve a home, it's most certainly not called being homeless.
      - j4yav 3y ago
        I thought in this thread we were discussing homelessness and a persistent nomadic lifestyle as a result of a cost of living crisis? It sounds like you must be referring to something people are choosing to do for fun or specifically because they want to take your hard earned stuff from you. In which case.. sure? Don’t give them your stuff then? But nobody said the magic word “lifestyle” before you called them leeches. > We are seeing the re-emergence of a form of persistent nomadism, as cost-of-living crisis forces people to abandon (or escape from) the liabilities which come from sedentary living. The cost to kit out and maintain a vehicle is not trivial but almost certainly less than keeping up monthly rental or mortgage payments.
Palmik 3y ago
> Yes, you could try convincing a very good friend or family member to lend you their street address if you really can't or won't pay for a place of residence yourself. In what way is that leeching? I would have no problem letting a family member do that.
nunez 3y ago
iPostal1 has you covered there. You get a real address (not a PO Box) that is accepted by just about everyone. The postage company behind that address can scan documents for you and even forward your packages somewhere else. You can even get a phone # with them. $9.99/mo excluding package pickups and other operations. I have been using them for three years now and really like them.
avery17 3y ago
Friend of mine has a po box. For services that dont accept it he lists the address of the post office with an apartment number. They dont like it but he still gets his mail.
- kencausey 3y ago
  I'm not sure if your friend is in the US but: https://www.usps.com/manage/po-boxes.htm#streetaddress https://www.usps.com/manage/po-boxes.htm#streetaddress
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    Relevant part from the cited reference document: >You may not use the PO Box “street address” option as your physical residence or place of business in Legal documents. Misuse of Street Addressing Service may violate civil and criminal laws and may result in USPS closing your PO Box. So that service is strictly for receiving non-USPS shipments at the PO box, and either way the PO box needs to be rooted in a street address (your place of residence) anyway. Of course, whether someone will actually check is anyone's guess. Probably not, if we're being realistic. But you will be in trouble if it's brought to someone's attention.

RivieraKid 3y ago

Why has the cost of living seemingly gone up across the world? Is there a consensus about this?

aaomidi 3y ago
Inequality is on the rise globally.
- buzzert 3y ago
  Inequality != poverty. You think if there was a society of 90 millionaires and 10 billionaires, people would be complaining about inequality? Of course not, because the real problem is what people can afford, and what the base standard of living is. That has nothing to do with inequality (unless those at the top are putting their thumb on the scale somehow, by buying up real estate and not using it, for instance).