5 ms·

Your logic is still... lacking. I don't say it lightly but it might be the worst case of obtuseness I've seen in many years of HN. You mix and match units when

Your logic is still... lacking. I don't say it lightly but it might be the worst case of obtuseness I've seen in many years of HN. You mix and match units when calculating a ratio of efficiency and it gets you meaningless conclusions. By your "logic" a Tesla M3, a leader in electric efficiency, is the worst of the bunch. It needs ~100kWh of electricity to drive the same 1000km distance. And ICE cars can do that trip with 0 electricity, many even with less fuel so they must be the best? It makes no sense other than for you to feel good about your car. But your car needs 10-11kWh to drive ideally a pathetic 30km (!) and 75l of fuel for the other 970km. Other ICE cars, or non-PHEV XC60 (the diesel) need no electricity and 50-60l of fuel for the same distance. And they're much cheaper to buy. So why did you pay anywhere between 15k-45k EUR more to have a "compliance car" hybrid that doesn't even float (/s) when this means you're just getting "less efficient"? Unless you bought the bragging rights, and now you're here to defend them. The goal of any electrified car is to drive as much as possible on electric power alone without the need to run the engine. Not only because ideally some owners can make their own electricity but also for comfort and emissions.

gambiting 3y ago
Ignore the whole Volvo Vs BYD bit for a second. Car A: needs 75 litres + 10kWh of electricity to cover 1000km Car B: needs 75 litres + 50kWh of electricity to cover 1000km. Even a child could point out which car is more efficient, as it needs less energy to travel the same distance. Am I wrong about this? If yes, please tell me how, I'm genuinely listening. >>It makes no sense other than for you to feel good about your car. I was trying to make a point that another large and mostly pointless SUV can do the same distance, using the same amount of fuel, and LESS electricity. That's literally all. I could also point out how either of those cars is idiotic, because as you said, a diesel version of the same car will use less fuel and no electricity. I used my own car as an example of a car that is also a "bad" example of efficiency. I apologize if that wasn't obvious, but man, you really got hung up on this. >>So why did you pay anywhere between 15k-45k EUR more to have a "compliance car" hybrid In case you are genuinely interested and not just trolling - because in my use case I'm within the EV only range nearly every day, and my long term petrol usage average over 50kkm is 2.1L/100km. >>But your car needs 10-11kWh to drive ideally a pathetic 30km (!) It doesn't, but I don't see any point in explaining to you how my own car works, nor was it a point of my entire comment.
- buran77 3y ago
  Let's draw a more complete picture with "car XC60 diesel" which needs 65 litres to cover 1000km. It's maybe 20% more efficient and 20% cheaper than car A, and with even cheaper fuel. Yet you picked your less efficient, more costly XC60 PHEV because... > in my use case I'm within the EV only range nearly every day Aha! Progress! EV only range didn't matter to you until just now despite my mentions, probably because your car has a meager 30km peak range while the U8 can do ~200km. So the U8 is for people who want an EV that's good for any daily commute (even with A/C or heating), with the engine for road or off-road trips. I guarantee you nobody sees these 2 cars competing in any segment. > It doesn't, but I don't see any point in explaining to you how my own car works Luckily you don't need to, we live in the information age. You said 10kWh battery, Volvo says it's good for ~30km in ideal conditions. My friend, your car was the peak of compliance cars, built only to fetch the EV subsidy, with the tiniest of batteries in that segment, and less EV range than you're implying. You insist on combining it with the tank of gas so it looks marginally more efficient than the Chinese luxury tank. But almost nobody cares about that combo. People care about EV range or gas economy. Your car is a bad at both, with the comically short EV range and an inefficient gas engine pulling 2.5t. Why bother trying to make it look better by some skewed metric nobody cares about?

gambiting 3y ago

Ignore the whole Volvo Vs BYD bit for a second. Car A: needs 75 litres + 10kWh of electricity to cover 1000km Car B: needs 75 litres + 50kWh of electricity to cover 1000km. Even a child could point out which car is more efficient, as it needs less energy to travel the same distance. Am I wrong about this? If yes, please tell me how, I'm genuinely listening. >>It makes no sense other than for you to feel good about your car. I was trying to make a point that another large and mostly pointless SUV can do the same distance, using the same amount of fuel, and LESS electricity. That's literally all. I could also point out how either of those cars is idiotic, because as you said, a diesel version of the same car will use less fuel and no electricity. I used my own car as an example of a car that is also a "bad" example of efficiency. I apologize if that wasn't obvious, but man, you really got hung up on this. >>So why did you pay anywhere between 15k-45k EUR more to have a "compliance car" hybrid In case you are genuinely interested and not just trolling - because in my use case I'm within the EV only range nearly every day, and my long term petrol usage average over 50kkm is 2.1L/100km. >>But your car needs 10-11kWh to drive ideally a pathetic 30km (!) It doesn't, but I don't see any point in explaining to you how my own car works, nor was it a point of my entire comment.

buran77 3y ago
Let's draw a more complete picture with "car XC60 diesel" which needs 65 litres to cover 1000km. It's maybe 20% more efficient and 20% cheaper than car A, and with even cheaper fuel. Yet you picked your less efficient, more costly XC60 PHEV because... > in my use case I'm within the EV only range nearly every day Aha! Progress! EV only range didn't matter to you until just now despite my mentions, probably because your car has a meager 30km peak range while the U8 can do ~200km. So the U8 is for people who want an EV that's good for any daily commute (even with A/C or heating), with the engine for road or off-road trips. I guarantee you nobody sees these 2 cars competing in any segment. > It doesn't, but I don't see any point in explaining to you how my own car works Luckily you don't need to, we live in the information age. You said 10kWh battery, Volvo says it's good for ~30km in ideal conditions. My friend, your car was the peak of compliance cars, built only to fetch the EV subsidy, with the tiniest of batteries in that segment, and less EV range than you're implying. You insist on combining it with the tank of gas so it looks marginally more efficient than the Chinese luxury tank. But almost nobody cares about that combo. People care about EV range or gas economy. Your car is a bad at both, with the comically short EV range and an inefficient gas engine pulling 2.5t. Why bother trying to make it look better by some skewed metric nobody cares about?