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And that is why I think it is absolutely, mind bogglingly bonkers that Tesla is currently using "drive by wire" in a mass production car when this technology is

And that is why I think it is absolutely, mind bogglingly bonkers that Tesla is currently using "drive by wire" in a mass production car when this technology is not common in aviation at all. Only the huge airliners that benefit from extremely expensive maintenance schedules use full "fly by wire".

TylerE 3y ago
Every Airbus built in the last 40 years is fly by wire.
user_7832 3y ago
Drive by wire isn’t the problem. You already have tons of electronics in a 10 year old car, from the ECU to ABS. However, there are relevant important standards and certifications in aviation, and I’m not sure if vehicular certs are as strict.
- Roark66 3y ago
  >Drive by wire isn’t the problem Yes it will be when you loose all power while going 80mph on a motorway because rodents ate the wiring 10 years later. "tons of electronics" in modern cars is not required for the most basic functionality such as steering and braking. Yes, you loose power steering and power breaking if it goes off, but you can still drive (unless maybe you've never driven without it and it surprises you during a high speed takeover manouver etc). This "drive by wire" takes away the most essential security feature present in "all" cars up to now. A direct mechanical connection between the steering wheel and the wheels. Even manufacturers of small airplanes (like "executive" 8 seater jets) say "no way" to this tech unless it controls an auxiliary control surface. Putting it in a production car that will get crashes, it will corrode (yes copper wiring and insulation corrodes too), it will get attacked by rodents and it might get driven in 50 years from now as a "classic" is sheer, unabridged, stupidity of the highest order.
  - user_7832 3y ago
    That’s a valid point, I wonder how aircrafts avoid these issues.
mattmaroon 3y ago
It’s only not in small planes, and then because of cost.
- Roark66 3y ago
  No, not just cost. Take a cessna columbus. An 8 seater executive jet. They chose to put fly by wire only on flaps. Is it because of cost? I doubt it. Pilots like "fly by wire" and people would gladly pay a 100k more for it on a $27 million aircraft. Even back in 2009 when it was still available.

TylerE 3y ago

Every Airbus built in the last 40 years is fly by wire.

user_7832 3y ago

Drive by wire isn’t the problem. You already have tons of electronics in a 10 year old car, from the ECU to ABS. However, there are relevant important standards and certifications in aviation, and I’m not sure if vehicular certs are as strict.

Roark66 3y ago
>Drive by wire isn’t the problem Yes it will be when you loose all power while going 80mph on a motorway because rodents ate the wiring 10 years later. "tons of electronics" in modern cars is not required for the most basic functionality such as steering and braking. Yes, you loose power steering and power breaking if it goes off, but you can still drive (unless maybe you've never driven without it and it surprises you during a high speed takeover manouver etc). This "drive by wire" takes away the most essential security feature present in "all" cars up to now. A direct mechanical connection between the steering wheel and the wheels. Even manufacturers of small airplanes (like "executive" 8 seater jets) say "no way" to this tech unless it controls an auxiliary control surface. Putting it in a production car that will get crashes, it will corrode (yes copper wiring and insulation corrodes too), it will get attacked by rodents and it might get driven in 50 years from now as a "classic" is sheer, unabridged, stupidity of the highest order.
- user_7832 3y ago
  That’s a valid point, I wonder how aircrafts avoid these issues.

mattmaroon 3y ago

It’s only not in small planes, and then because of cost.

Roark66 3y ago
No, not just cost. Take a cessna columbus. An 8 seater executive jet. They chose to put fly by wire only on flaps. Is it because of cost? I doubt it. Pilots like "fly by wire" and people would gladly pay a 100k more for it on a $27 million aircraft. Even back in 2009 when it was still available.