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I hate to turn this into a political comment, but your comment about it being depressing struck a nerve with me. Many conservatives and people worried about th

I hate to turn this into a political comment, but your comment about it being depressing struck a nerve with me. Many conservatives and people worried about the border have been feeling this depression pretty hard the last few years, if not 20+ years. Add in the crime problem with no cash bail, and honestly a few friends and I have felt something is really wrong for several years on a pretty deep sad level. Interesting that something slighlt convoluted like a plane retrofit was what brought about it in you.

vladms 3y ago
Feeling sad and depressed can be a medical condition rather than a reality issue. There are many numerically things (can't check everything) that are not much worse than 20 years ago (and some even better), but people seem more and more upset. It's like they just spend time online/on TV and WANT to find reasons to feel bad. Or that they expect that because things CAN be good they will be good tomorrow without any effort.
- talldatethrow 3y ago
  I'm in California since 1989. Things are definitely different and IMO worse than before. If I had to guess, previously the crime was in obvious rough areas. Now it seems it's expanding to everywhere. But even if crime/illegal border crossings were down... Just because we were unaware of it 20 years ago and are now aware doesn't really make people feel better about it. "Hey, you know how you were wondering why wages are stagnant, yet housing prices are still rising? Turns out there were millions of people entering illegally every year and you just weren't aware of it previously! Better turn off the news or you'll feel worse about that $3k 2bdroom."
  - metabagel 3y ago
    One has got nothing to do with the other. Illegal immigrants aren’t driving up housing costs. Standard of living is stagnant, because wealth doesn’t “trickle down” like Reagan promised us. It trickles up. You’re repeating right wing talking points.
    - talldatethrow 3y ago
      How are immigrants not driving up housing costs? Aren't they using housing? Isn't housing driven by supply and demand?
      - nephanth 3y ago
        The "demand" in supply and demand means "how much money are people able&willing to invest into x" For illegal immigrants, the answer to that is "not a lot"
        talldatethrow 3y ago
        I assure you, they have enough money to rent a home or apartment. Most are not homeless. To say even 1% of illegal immigrants are homeless a year after arriving would be a stretch.

vladms 3y ago

Feeling sad and depressed can be a medical condition rather than a reality issue. There are many numerically things (can't check everything) that are not much worse than 20 years ago (and some even better), but people seem more and more upset. It's like they just spend time online/on TV and WANT to find reasons to feel bad. Or that they expect that because things CAN be good they will be good tomorrow without any effort.

talldatethrow 3y ago
I'm in California since 1989. Things are definitely different and IMO worse than before. If I had to guess, previously the crime was in obvious rough areas. Now it seems it's expanding to everywhere. But even if crime/illegal border crossings were down... Just because we were unaware of it 20 years ago and are now aware doesn't really make people feel better about it. "Hey, you know how you were wondering why wages are stagnant, yet housing prices are still rising? Turns out there were millions of people entering illegally every year and you just weren't aware of it previously! Better turn off the news or you'll feel worse about that $3k 2bdroom."
- metabagel 3y ago
  One has got nothing to do with the other. Illegal immigrants aren’t driving up housing costs. Standard of living is stagnant, because wealth doesn’t “trickle down” like Reagan promised us. It trickles up. You’re repeating right wing talking points.
  - talldatethrow 3y ago
    How are immigrants not driving up housing costs? Aren't they using housing? Isn't housing driven by supply and demand?
    - nephanth 3y ago
      The "demand" in supply and demand means "how much money are people able&willing to invest into x" For illegal immigrants, the answer to that is "not a lot"
      - talldatethrow 3y ago
        I assure you, they have enough money to rent a home or apartment. Most are not homeless. To say even 1% of illegal immigrants are homeless a year after arriving would be a stretch.