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At what point does Boeing just scrap the 9s? Completely, for good? It’s all starting to feel like the galaxy note, where you pass a tipping point of no return
by travisgriggs 3y ago
At what point does Boeing just scrap the 9s? Completely, for good?
It’s all starting to feel like the galaxy note, where you pass a tipping point of no return with public perception.
- tiahura 3y agoBecause some guy at the factory forgot to lock the door? Isn't that a little melodramatic?
- hypothesis 3y agoWhat makes you think that this was the only door he forgot to lock? There is clearly a pattern here with Boeing QA, doors, bolts, etc
- tiahura 3y agoBased on n=1, I’m hesitant to speculate much and so I don’t have any opinion on whether there will be more. I always don’t see how scrapping the 9 makes sense even if he forgot to do all of them.
- malfist 3y agoWhen will you be happy to extrapolate? When the next incident has bodies? Or will that be another n=1 event?
- lostlogin 3y agoThe whole scenario has ‘the front fell off’, dark comedy vibes. Wish the guy was still alive. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM
- tavavex 3y agoLow n is pretty unavoidable here, considering how few aircraft generally get made. Even for the world's leading manufacturers, deliveries are counted in units per month. The point here is that the aviation industry is one of the most regulated and scrutinized industries in regards to safety, and yet despite all that, one manufacturer keeps making very dangerous slip-ups.
- jgilias 3y ago“One doesn’t just” forget things like that. It’s aviation we’re talking about, not toy cars. This absolutely must not happen, and there should be processes in place to make sure it doesn’t. It doesn’t actually matter if it’s an engineering or a process problem, because both of those point to an organisational problem that needs to be rooted out at a company to which we basically entrust our lives.
- grotorea 3y agoThere was the accident with Turkish Airlines Flight 981 caused by the cargo door not locking properly and it seems there was an attempt to blame the baggage handler who couldn't understand the English/Turkish language instructions, was not trained to do the check and it was someone's else job anyway.
- mmanfrin 3y agoThe 346 people who died in 2018/2019 because of the 737 Max's incompetent safety standards and engineering beg to differ.
- jcadam 3y agoApparently the door was permanently plugged, as Alaska Airlines didn't order the airplane with that optional door in place. So... turns out it wasn't so permanent - and definitely an issue with Boeing rather than the airline.
- acdha 3y agoThat attempt to spin this would be far worse for the company: if “some guy” forgot a step, it would mean that Boeing’s process is horribly broken because the worker needed a better confirmation check for that step, and the independent safety checks which are supposed to happen either didn’t or were not setup correctly. It’s not like changing the toner in the office printer, this industry is all about multiple independent safety measures because the alternatives are horrific. For machines which hundreds of lives depend on, the correct response to that excuse would be to shut the factory down and replace the management who faked the safety process. I doubt they’ll use it for that reason.
- panarky 3y agoIs the 9 really that different from the 8, other than being a few meters longer?
- charles_f 3y agoWhy the 9? Both crashes were on 8s.
- stjohnswarts 3y agoThat isn't going to happen, they are too many out there and they have too much money invested. It would take FAA action (or European I suppose)