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Human rights apply to all humans, as the individuals they are, not as members of a group you assign them to. "They" is doing a lot of work here. Who is "they"?

by johnnyworker 3y ago

Human rights apply to all humans, as the individuals they are, not as members of a group you assign them to. "They" is doing a lot of work here. Who is "they"? Half of the population of Gaza are under the age of 15. "They" keep electing terrorists and keep starting wars. > They should get what every other group gets when they do stuff like what they did on Oct 7th. Again, "they". What other group? Name them. Name one. Outside of what the Nazis did and how they rationalized it. Outside of how terrorist groups rationalize and attempt to justify what they do. > This too does the for a totalitarian environment so well prepared vernacular express in its own way when it no longer speaks of "the" Russians or "the" French, but tells us what "the" Russian or "the" Frenchman wants. -- Hannah Arendt So cause the worst humanitarian crisis on the planet right now.. https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipcinfo-website/alerts-archive/issue-94/en/ https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipcinfo-website/alerts-archive/issue... .. blow up infrastructure and make fun of that... https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1731772261848264771 https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/17317722618482647... https://twitter.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1743296706576269446 https://twitter.com/ireallyhateyou/status/174329670657626944... https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1743411493813575711 https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1743411493813575711 .. and then "they" will... stop being radicalized into terrorism? And while you're at it, attack refugee camps in the West Bank? Because children who weren't even born in 2006 elected terrorists in Gaza, and enough is enough. Nonsense. And everybody know it is. > "In the context of de-legitimization - Hamas is an asset (for Israel) and the Palestinian Authority is a liability" -- Smotrich, https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1741196470399783296 https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1741196470399783296 > If we act strategically correctly, there will be immigration and we will live in the Gaza Strip. We will not allow a situation where 2 million people live there. If there are 100-200 thousand Arabs in Gaza, all the talk about the day after will be different. They want to leave, they have been living in the ghetto for 75 years and are in need" -- Smotrich, https://twitter.com/GLZRadio/status/1741347524693127398 https://twitter.com/GLZRadio/status/1741347524693127398 So if you keep electing people who are murdering civilians to commit ethnic cleansing to take over the land, or keep electing leaders that supply those other leaders with weapons to do that, and then, as an adult, go on a forum to re-iterate that you personally agree with it, that's fine. But kids in Gaza, they have to pay for what they did.

Gibbon1 3y ago
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- johnnyworker 3y ago
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  - dang 3y ago
    You've been posting many dozens of comments about this and basically nothing about anything else for a long time now. That's not the intended use of HN. Also, you've continued to post in the flamewar style even after we asked you to stop doing that and had a considerable exchange about it. If you keep this up, we're going to have to ban your account—that's standard HN moderation practice and has been for many years: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... I understand that this topic is unusually important and also unusually distressing, but what your account is doing is not ok on HN; and that, btw, would be just as true if you were on the opposite side of the issue.
    - johnnyworker 3y ago
      > You've been posting many dozens of comments about this and basically nothing about anything else for a long time now. A long time? A few comments in the last week. Do I owe you token comments on other subjects? I am reading, I just haven't seen anything I had anything to say about in the last week. This is the subject I currently am learning about. For example, on that Ultima thread, I wrote a long comment and then didn't post it because I am too sad and too appalled. I thought fuck this, IDF soldiers brag about bombing schools so kids can't become engineers, and I'm posting some derpy nostalgic anecdote? So? I don't owe you or anyone comments pretending everything is alright. What a weird, arbitrary criticism. So now, whenever I say anything about this subject, I'm out? Or is there a quota? I can only say as vaguely defined and as arbitrarily applied the terms you use are, it's just whatever. I tried my best, I refrained from personal attack and generally posted less than when you talked last to me, that's all I can do, if you want to ban me for not posting enough filler, just do it, it's fine. But when it's justified in this Kafkaesque way -- as "standard" as it may be -- I simply can't follow and can't care. > if you're relating to what the other person is saying, remaining respectful How did I not do that here? If someone brings up morality as an argument, and with this issue in general, morality is on the table. It's not a discussion about tabs vs. spaces.

dang 3y ago
It isn't hard to understand if you consider this site as a whole. We're trying to optimize for intellectually curious conversation. That's not what you've been doing, and you've been posting a lot. It's that simple. As I read your comments, you have routinely been crossing over the line into disrespect and even getting aggressive. Of course this is a matter of interpretation, affected by differing cultural standards and whatnot, but I think most HN readers would perceive your comments this way—at least to the extent one can factor out political agreement/disagreement with them. I realize that the topic lends itself to this (to put it mildly) and that other users are also doing a lot of it. But that's why the guidelines say ""Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.". Even just taking your GP comment: * beginning with "What $thing?" is already abrupt and signals hostility - this is the kind of thing the guidelines mean when they say "don't cross-examine." * "You are currently shrugging off the $horrible" is pejorative and personal, and immediately ups the ante. * "with that broad brush racist talk" - again pejorative and personal, and escalates further * "And on top of all that, which is grave enough" - more rhetoric of cross-examination * "you simply ignore everything I posted that demonstrated" - similar * "you now use as an excuse" - again pejorative and personal * "you now use as an excuse to commit wanton mass murder" - WTF? This reads as if you are accusing the person you are talking to of that. If so, that's completely beyond the pale. More likely your sentence here was confusingly written, but that too is against the site guidelines, because getting carried away with such rhetoric is the opposite of what commenters should be doing. After barraging the other person with that many swipes, tropes, and denunciations, I would expect the person on the receiving end of that to react extremely badly, and this would largely your fault for commenting so aggressively. I'm quite aware that (1) lots of other people are posting like this, (2) the topic lends itself to it, and (3) the topic is important. But I'm not aware of any other commenter who has been posting this much about it while breaking the site guidelines so frequently, even indiscriminately. This is not ok. I hope it's clear from the fact that I've given you several extensive replies, trying to explain these things, that I don't want to ban you—partly because of the three factors I just mentioned—but you're making that a lot harder than it ought to be.