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You're right, I mean, why should a parent even bother establishing candor, trust, and communication with their children when it is just soooo harrrrd, give up a

You're right, I mean, why should a parent even bother establishing candor, trust, and communication with their children when it is just soooo harrrrd, give up already!

jstarfish 3y ago
You're playing at whatever the self-help equivalent of psychobabble is and are clearly not a parent, foster or otherwise. Most kids are self-centered, duplicitous sacks of bullshit. The social aspect of relationships is easily gamed and they know it. You don't know your child until you've seen their browser history (before they've had a chance to clear it). Take a peek sometime. I let my kids think I trust them, but I trust them about as much as the GRU. They think I actually believe that they don't have Discord installed, but I already know what they changed the icon and app label to. They think I believe they're not uploading videos to YouTube, but they are. They have no qualms about lying to me-- and I have a good relationship with these two.
- grayhatter 3y ago
  > Most kids are self-centered, duplicitous sacks of bullshit. Most children aren't. You're definitely telling on yourself more than commenting on how children behave. Trust is a shared activity. If you treat children like you'd treat the GRU that's exactly how they'll behave. > and I have a good relationship with these two. If you have a good relationship, why are they lying to you? Is it because they don't trust you? Is that because you don't trust them? I wonder who started it. I'm pretty sure you'll blame them again, so I'll pre-answer for that. "they proved it already by making [some mistake]" ...yeah, kids will make mistakes, but when you forgive them, and believe in them, and prove that they can trust you, they will. By treating them like the GRU all you do is prove they can't trust you. You're supposed to be the adult, right? You have to go first, children are only able to copy what they see.
- hulitu 3y ago
  > Most kids are self-centered, duplicitous sacks of bullshit Trust must be gained. > You don't know your child until you've seen their browser history Are you sure ? This is like this MTV commercial when the child is watching porn when the parents enter the room, only to switch to MTV afterwards.
harimau777 3y ago
I think you are missing the point. Certainly a parent has a moral obligation to work to build candor, trust, and communication. However, depending on the circumstances that effort may not be fully successful; which is why it might be useful to also have additional systems in place such as regulation on what media providers can provide to children. In other words, my objection is not to your assertion that parents should work to develop trusting and respectful relationships with their children. Nor do I disagree that such relationships would go a long ways towards addressing media consumption. My disagreement is with the idea that it is always possible to be completely successful.

You're right, I mean, why should a parent even bother establishing candor, trust, and communication with their children when it is just soooo harrrrd, give up already!

jstarfish 3y ago

You're playing at whatever the self-help equivalent of psychobabble is and are clearly not a parent, foster or otherwise. Most kids are self-centered, duplicitous sacks of bullshit. The social aspect of relationships is easily gamed and they know it. You don't know your child until you've seen their browser history (before they've had a chance to clear it). Take a peek sometime. I let my kids think I trust them, but I trust them about as much as the GRU. They think I actually believe that they don't have Discord installed, but I already know what they changed the icon and app label to. They think I believe they're not uploading videos to YouTube, but they are. They have no qualms about lying to me-- and I have a good relationship with these two.

grayhatter 3y ago
> Most kids are self-centered, duplicitous sacks of bullshit. Most children aren't. You're definitely telling on yourself more than commenting on how children behave. Trust is a shared activity. If you treat children like you'd treat the GRU that's exactly how they'll behave. > and I have a good relationship with these two. If you have a good relationship, why are they lying to you? Is it because they don't trust you? Is that because you don't trust them? I wonder who started it. I'm pretty sure you'll blame them again, so I'll pre-answer for that. "they proved it already by making [some mistake]" ...yeah, kids will make mistakes, but when you forgive them, and believe in them, and prove that they can trust you, they will. By treating them like the GRU all you do is prove they can't trust you. You're supposed to be the adult, right? You have to go first, children are only able to copy what they see.
hulitu 3y ago
> Most kids are self-centered, duplicitous sacks of bullshit Trust must be gained. > You don't know your child until you've seen their browser history Are you sure ? This is like this MTV commercial when the child is watching porn when the parents enter the room, only to switch to MTV afterwards.

harimau777 3y ago

I think you are missing the point. Certainly a parent has a moral obligation to work to build candor, trust, and communication. However, depending on the circumstances that effort may not be fully successful; which is why it might be useful to also have additional systems in place such as regulation on what media providers can provide to children. In other words, my objection is not to your assertion that parents should work to develop trusting and respectful relationships with their children. Nor do I disagree that such relationships would go a long ways towards addressing media consumption. My disagreement is with the idea that it is always possible to be completely successful.