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All financed with German tax money

vocworker 3y ago
Well not directly from taxes, but still public money. It's great to see it that not all of it is spent on entertainment for old people ("Musikantenstadl") and sports. Kind of validates how well public funding works for art and culture.
- eternauta3k 3y ago
  Not saying I agree or disagree with your conclusion (I'm undecided), but I disagree with your reasoning. The question whether the Rundfunkbeitrag is good is partly philosophical ("what is the role of the state?") and partly practical ("does the state provide better media than private enterprise?"), and I don't think this example sheds light on either aspect.
  - naiv 3y ago
    This is also pure insanity: https://www.swrfernsehen.de/eisenbahn-romantik/index.html https://www.swrfernsehen.de/eisenbahn-romantik/index.html They need to go to jail
    - marcod 3y ago
      Because you don't care for it?
- seabass-labrax 3y ago
  I wouldn't say Musikantenstadl is just for old people. Perhaps 90% older viewers from what I can tell, but I can (personally!) guarantee that the figure isn't 100% ;)
  - a2800276 3y ago
    Also, while I wouldn't watch it if it was the last thing running on the last TV working after the apocalypse, a large swath of the population really enjoy it who aren't an interesting advertising demographic and who may not have the tech and financial means to access it otherwise. This is the system working: desirable content that couldn't be viably financed by the private sector.
lionkor 3y ago
Isnt it the shitty Rundfunkgebühr
- sgift 3y ago
  No, it's the very good Rundfunkgebühr. Makes sure we still have something besides garbage journalism here. And also, arts & culture like this.
  - eternauta3k 3y ago
    With extreme-right parties polling >30%, I hesitate to give the state so much power for propaganda. See e.g. Poland https://www.ft.com/content/1861164c-1e41-4640-95a1-5615a0e9ba39 https://www.ft.com/content/1861164c-1e41-4640-95a1-5615a0e9b... .
    - pelasaco 3y ago
      Should we link how the Silvester and Christmas in Poland x in Germany look like? Nothing is so black and white as you want to make it look like...
    - sgift 3y ago
      That's the reason for the Rundfunkgebühr instead of taxes. Keep it a bit further away from the state to limit its influence.
      - pelasaco 3y ago
        based on the last drama involving the executives of public TV Channels, I'm not sure if it stills hold true
      - eternauta3k 3y ago
        Forcing all conservatives to pay for media made by an unelected clique with very different values is still not great. I know we want to avoid ending up with super-polarized media like the US, but I don't believe this is the way. I don't know what the way is, since you also don't want to give airtime to the crazies, and I feel the market for sane conservative news shrinks by the minute.
naiv 3y ago
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- InCityDreams 3y ago
  >The way that they are pushing the leftist woke agenda... Could you clarify exactly what 'the leftist woke agenda' is (in this case)? I see so many accusations, but very few people are able to explain what they mean.
  - amanaplanacanal 3y ago
    I’m also interested in hearing this. It seems to be mostly code words for other right leaning folk. What they actually mean they never say out loud, because it’s usually bigotry against people of color and lgbtq folks. Edit: downvotes but still no explanation.
    - naiv 3y ago
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    - nickdurfe 3y ago
      No, I believe people would like to know precise details of what you're referring to as "left woke agenda".

Well not directly from taxes, but still public money. It's great to see it that not all of it is spent on entertainment for old people ("Musikantenstadl") and sports. Kind of validates how well public funding works for art and culture.

eternauta3k 3y ago
Not saying I agree or disagree with your conclusion (I'm undecided), but I disagree with your reasoning. The question whether the Rundfunkbeitrag is good is partly philosophical ("what is the role of the state?") and partly practical ("does the state provide better media than private enterprise?"), and I don't think this example sheds light on either aspect.
- naiv 3y ago
  This is also pure insanity: https://www.swrfernsehen.de/eisenbahn-romantik/index.html https://www.swrfernsehen.de/eisenbahn-romantik/index.html They need to go to jail
  - marcod 3y ago
    Because you don't care for it?
seabass-labrax 3y ago
I wouldn't say Musikantenstadl is just for old people. Perhaps 90% older viewers from what I can tell, but I can (personally!) guarantee that the figure isn't 100% ;)
- a2800276 3y ago
  Also, while I wouldn't watch it if it was the last thing running on the last TV working after the apocalypse, a large swath of the population really enjoy it who aren't an interesting advertising demographic and who may not have the tech and financial means to access it otherwise. This is the system working: desirable content that couldn't be viably financed by the private sector.

lionkor 3y ago

Isnt it the shitty Rundfunkgebühr

sgift 3y ago
No, it's the very good Rundfunkgebühr. Makes sure we still have something besides garbage journalism here. And also, arts & culture like this.
- eternauta3k 3y ago
  With extreme-right parties polling >30%, I hesitate to give the state so much power for propaganda. See e.g. Poland https://www.ft.com/content/1861164c-1e41-4640-95a1-5615a0e9ba39 https://www.ft.com/content/1861164c-1e41-4640-95a1-5615a0e9b... .
  - pelasaco 3y ago
    Should we link how the Silvester and Christmas in Poland x in Germany look like? Nothing is so black and white as you want to make it look like...
  - sgift 3y ago
    That's the reason for the Rundfunkgebühr instead of taxes. Keep it a bit further away from the state to limit its influence.
    - pelasaco 3y ago
      based on the last drama involving the executives of public TV Channels, I'm not sure if it stills hold true
    - eternauta3k 3y ago
      Forcing all conservatives to pay for media made by an unelected clique with very different values is still not great. I know we want to avoid ending up with super-polarized media like the US, but I don't believe this is the way. I don't know what the way is, since you also don't want to give airtime to the crazies, and I feel the market for sane conservative news shrinks by the minute.

naiv 3y ago

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InCityDreams 3y ago
>The way that they are pushing the leftist woke agenda... Could you clarify exactly what 'the leftist woke agenda' is (in this case)? I see so many accusations, but very few people are able to explain what they mean.
- amanaplanacanal 3y ago
  I’m also interested in hearing this. It seems to be mostly code words for other right leaning folk. What they actually mean they never say out loud, because it’s usually bigotry against people of color and lgbtq folks. Edit: downvotes but still no explanation.
  - naiv 3y ago
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- naiv 3y ago
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  - nickdurfe 3y ago
    No, I believe people would like to know precise details of what you're referring to as "left woke agenda".