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Half the country's been trying for decades, the other half's more interested in culture wars.

gruez 3y ago
>the other half's more interested in culture wars. Are they? Looking at the polls[1], it's not really clear either way. For instance much more republicans think that "the state of moral values" is a "big problem", which seems to suggest they're "more interested in culture wars", but at the same time for "racism" the numbers are flipped. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/06/21/inflation-health-costs-partisan-cooperation-among-the-nations-top-problems/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/06/21/inflation-he...
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- truculent 3y ago
  Creating an equivalence between “moral values” and racism is the goal of “culture war” framing. Interesting to see it working, I suppose
  - gruez 3y ago
    Do you have a justification for that claim that isn't along the lines of "our cause is just and is worth fighting for/debating. Their cause is unjust and is just 'culture war' issues meant to distract"?
    - hasmolo 3y ago
      i suppose the point being made here is that we are currently in a place of racism, and anyone advocating that moving waway from that place is bad, happens to be advocating for racsim indirectly. i get that that is not the intent of the person, but it is the end they found.
      - gruez 3y ago
        >i suppose the point being made here is that we are currently in a place of racism, and anyone advocating that moving waway from that place is bad, happens to be advocating for racsim indirectly. It's trivial to reword this for "the state of moral values", eg. "we are currently in a place of degrading moral values, and anyone advocating that moving away from that place is bad, happens to be advocating for degrading moral values indirectly". In other words, both "racism" and "the state of moral values" are culture war topics, and I don't how you can justify privileging one without having to invoke your own political beliefs.
healthdare 3y ago
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lmm 3y ago
The first half being the poor and disenfranchised, and the second half being the rich and powerful. And they're not really interested in the culture wars per se, they're just a convenient tool for preventing the lower classes from finding common cause.

>the other half's more interested in culture wars. Are they? Looking at the polls[1], it's not really clear either way. For instance much more republicans think that "the state of moral values" is a "big problem", which seems to suggest they're "more interested in culture wars", but at the same time for "racism" the numbers are flipped. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/06/21/inflation-health-costs-partisan-cooperation-among-the-nations-top-problems/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/06/21/inflation-he...

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truculent 3y ago
Creating an equivalence between “moral values” and racism is the goal of “culture war” framing. Interesting to see it working, I suppose
- gruez 3y ago
  Do you have a justification for that claim that isn't along the lines of "our cause is just and is worth fighting for/debating. Their cause is unjust and is just 'culture war' issues meant to distract"?
  - hasmolo 3y ago
    i suppose the point being made here is that we are currently in a place of racism, and anyone advocating that moving waway from that place is bad, happens to be advocating for racsim indirectly. i get that that is not the intent of the person, but it is the end they found.
    - gruez 3y ago
      >i suppose the point being made here is that we are currently in a place of racism, and anyone advocating that moving waway from that place is bad, happens to be advocating for racsim indirectly. It's trivial to reword this for "the state of moral values", eg. "we are currently in a place of degrading moral values, and anyone advocating that moving away from that place is bad, happens to be advocating for degrading moral values indirectly". In other words, both "racism" and "the state of moral values" are culture war topics, and I don't how you can justify privileging one without having to invoke your own political beliefs.

healthdare 3y ago

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lmm 3y ago

The first half being the poor and disenfranchised, and the second half being the rich and powerful. And they're not really interested in the culture wars per se, they're just a convenient tool for preventing the lower classes from finding common cause.