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The argument that reality is misogynistic and thus information (IE. accurate observations of that reality) should not be uttered and those who sin in that way s

The argument that reality is misogynistic and thus information (IE. accurate observations of that reality) should not be uttered and those who sin in that way should be unemployed is misandry. Misinformation was one thing, they are complaining about regular old information now.

em-bee 3y ago
the question is whether someone approves of that reality or criticizes it. i think it is reasonable to expect that certain realities (like racism) need to be criticized and not approved, and if you can't make that distinction clear then i can see that could be a problem.
- ETH_start 3y ago
  I'm not seeing the relevance of your comment to the comment it's replying to. Can you explain the connection?
  - em-bee 3y ago
    The argument that reality is misogynistic and thus information should not be uttered this comment is stating that we can't talk about reality because reality is misogynistic (or, i'd like to add: racist) and so when we talk about that, certain people will complain. consider a tech conference that only has male speakers. are they all male because no women applied, or did the organizers only pick male speakers because of their preference? now i come along and say, it's ok that there are only male speakers. am i saying that because i want to acknowledge the reality that there are so few women in the tech scene that sometimes there just aren't any female speakers? or am i saying it because i prefer it that way? some people will be fine with my statement, and others will consider it misogynistic. now suppose i make a joke about that. am i laughing at the ineffectiveness of the tech scene to attract women, or am i laughing at women not being fit for tech? some people will see one interpretation, and some the other. to resolve the problem, and avoid a misunderstanding, it is helpful, or even necessary to make that distinction and make clear in which way my statement or my joke are to be interpreted.
    - ETH_start 3y ago
      Thanks for the explanation.

em-bee 3y ago

the question is whether someone approves of that reality or criticizes it. i think it is reasonable to expect that certain realities (like racism) need to be criticized and not approved, and if you can't make that distinction clear then i can see that could be a problem.

ETH_start 3y ago
I'm not seeing the relevance of your comment to the comment it's replying to. Can you explain the connection?
- em-bee 3y ago
  The argument that reality is misogynistic and thus information should not be uttered this comment is stating that we can't talk about reality because reality is misogynistic (or, i'd like to add: racist) and so when we talk about that, certain people will complain. consider a tech conference that only has male speakers. are they all male because no women applied, or did the organizers only pick male speakers because of their preference? now i come along and say, it's ok that there are only male speakers. am i saying that because i want to acknowledge the reality that there are so few women in the tech scene that sometimes there just aren't any female speakers? or am i saying it because i prefer it that way? some people will be fine with my statement, and others will consider it misogynistic. now suppose i make a joke about that. am i laughing at the ineffectiveness of the tech scene to attract women, or am i laughing at women not being fit for tech? some people will see one interpretation, and some the other. to resolve the problem, and avoid a misunderstanding, it is helpful, or even necessary to make that distinction and make clear in which way my statement or my joke are to be interpreted.
  - ETH_start 3y ago
    Thanks for the explanation.