3 ms·

This sounds like you don't know anything about history of human civilization. All improvements to the standard of living come from using more power per capita.

kiba 3y ago
It can also be true that improving energy efficiency will be good, and forgoing harmful energetic activity is also good, such as reducing the number of cars on the road.
- pi-e-sigma 3y ago
  You think that reducing number of cars will not reduce the standard of living? Being forced to ride a bike in a snow is surely an improvement unwashed masses are yearning for.
  - kiba 3y ago
    You think that reducing number of cars will not reduce the standard of living? Being forced to ride a bike in a snow is surely an improvement unwashed masses are yearning for. Of course. If you ever drove downtown during rush hours, it is a miserable experience. If you want to see people riding bike, see youtube videos about Finland. If you have the right clothes, or the right infrastructure and support, a lot of things are suddenly possible and easy. But of course, noticed that I said reduction of cars, not a total elimination of cars. We do not need a car for any and all activity. There will be a time and place when you need to haul large amount of materials, for example.
    - pi-e-sigma 3y ago
      You are advocating riding a bike instead of a car in Finland of all the places? And doing it all year round? And as supporting argument you point to YouTube videos? I'm speechless...
      - kiba 3y ago
        Not Just Bike has a good video on it.[1] Of course, if you don't think youtube videos can't ever be credible sources, then I am not going to be able to convince you of anything. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU
  - _heimdall 3y ago
    I don't think its quite that simple, I wouldn't assume that car use is always a net positive for standard of living and more cars are always better. Reducing cars would likely reduce car fatalities and pollution, for example. Vehicles are also expensive and can be stressful to maintain and pay for. Choosing to remove a cat from your life and finding a way to make that work can be a net positive long term. Obviously that wouldn't work for everyone, but if it works for some then we have to accept that more cars don't always equal higher standard of living.

kiba 3y ago

It can also be true that improving energy efficiency will be good, and forgoing harmful energetic activity is also good, such as reducing the number of cars on the road.

pi-e-sigma 3y ago
You think that reducing number of cars will not reduce the standard of living? Being forced to ride a bike in a snow is surely an improvement unwashed masses are yearning for.
- kiba 3y ago
  You think that reducing number of cars will not reduce the standard of living? Being forced to ride a bike in a snow is surely an improvement unwashed masses are yearning for. Of course. If you ever drove downtown during rush hours, it is a miserable experience. If you want to see people riding bike, see youtube videos about Finland. If you have the right clothes, or the right infrastructure and support, a lot of things are suddenly possible and easy. But of course, noticed that I said reduction of cars, not a total elimination of cars. We do not need a car for any and all activity. There will be a time and place when you need to haul large amount of materials, for example.
  - pi-e-sigma 3y ago
    You are advocating riding a bike instead of a car in Finland of all the places? And doing it all year round? And as supporting argument you point to YouTube videos? I'm speechless...
    - kiba 3y ago
      Not Just Bike has a good video on it.[1] Of course, if you don't think youtube videos can't ever be credible sources, then I am not going to be able to convince you of anything. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU
- _heimdall 3y ago
  I don't think its quite that simple, I wouldn't assume that car use is always a net positive for standard of living and more cars are always better. Reducing cars would likely reduce car fatalities and pollution, for example. Vehicles are also expensive and can be stressful to maintain and pay for. Choosing to remove a cat from your life and finding a way to make that work can be a net positive long term. Obviously that wouldn't work for everyone, but if it works for some then we have to accept that more cars don't always equal higher standard of living.