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Royal Navy forced to recruit for tob job on social media
- diggan 3y agoMaybe I'm exposing my own stupidity here, but why would it be bad to advertise the position? Is it because they used LinkedIn or is the mere action of advertising the position instead of trying to fill the position in secrecy the bad part? I'm guessing that $TODAYS_ENEMY would know about the position being unfilled no matter if it's posted on LinkedIn or not, which some "former submariner" complained about.
- StayTrue 3y agoNone of the internal candidates qualified to do the job are interested, which says something.
- deidei 3y ago> why would it be bad to advertise the position? Not an expert but from what I understand a position of this level should ideally be filled internally by reassigning or promoting a officer that is already serving. These posts are really important and need someone with decades of experience in the navy. It is terrible if they cannot find someone internally.
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- Enginerrrd 3y agoI wouldn't even say ideally. I would say filling internally is essential. The top comment on the featured article I think summarizes it well: It's not the broader recruitment issue among gen Z. It's that for some reason none of the senior officers below this position want it. THAT is indeed quite troubling. It suggests strongly that the entire organization has deep systemic issues that no one wants to step up and try to fix.
- macintux 3y agoI'm guessing it has more to do with the shame of not having a pool of obvious candidates available. An admiral who has no subordinates or peers who are qualified for the position?
- csmattryder 3y ago> Generation Z is not joining the armed forces in the way my generation did Why aren't the kids joining the military? Did something happen in the last few decades that made them rethink it as a career option, possibly?
- jsiepkes 3y agoDidn't stop them from joining companies such as Facebook, Uber, etc. though...
- thanksgiving 3y agoUnlike the military, you can quit anytime from these companies.
- bell-cot 3y agoA whole lot of (mostly-)little things, over the past half-ish century, have lead them to seriously doubt the existing social order. Volunteering for military service is something of an all-in endorsement of that order. Though it doesn't help that British kids have felt no visceral "we're at risk from $Powerful_Enemy!" fears since ~1990.
- times_trw 3y agoOne has to wonder if a majority of lower class able bodied men would particularly care if an enemy took over.
- LargeTomato 3y agoWasn't the lower class overwhelmingly pro brexit? They are xenophobic.
- times_trw 3y agoOne only needs to look at the Glorious Revolution to see what a hostile takeover of Britain by a foreign power which pays lip service to Britishness would look like. Also one rather needs ones army to be xenophobic, a xenophilic army would be somewhat poor at its job. I've been musing that the majority of ~canon fodder~ lower class working men are so destructively disengaged from main stream western culture that a new branch of Islam with 19th century western sensibilities - nationalism, nativism, chauvinism, etc. - would have very little trouble in taking over.
- milliams 3y agoI thought "tob" was a typo in the HN submission but no, it's right there on their website.
- closewith 3y agoTactical Order of Battle, maybe?
- dgrin91 3y agoIt must be a typo from the independent, right? Its driving my insane.
- deidei 3y agoyes, it is a typo from the independent. > Its driving my insane. Off topic, but you made another typo here lol
- mkoryak 3y agoTob -> Top
- adolph 3y agoAre you translating into American for the western English speakers?
- godzillabrennus 3y agohttps://news.sky.com/story/us-general-warns-british-army-no-longer-top-level-fighting-force-defence-sources-reveal-12798365 https://news.sky.com/story/us-general-warns-british-army-no-... They’ve apparently kept cutting costs for a long period of time. This has probably hurt the value proposition for attracting young talent.
- supahfly_remix 3y agoTo fill a position as "director of submarines and [who] would be responsible for 'elite operations' and the nation’s nuclear deterrent" requires intimate knowledge of the workings of the Royal Navy. It would almost certainly be a promotion from within or for someone who had as least previously worked for the Royal Navy and risen to a high level. Wouldn't hiring a headhunter to do a targeted search work better than using Linkedin?
- mannykannot 3y agoThis seems bizarre, insofar as it seems predicated on the assumption of there being a pool of eligible candidates currently unknown to the navy.
- edent 3y agoIsn't this a bit of a non-story? There's no evidence that they were forced to do anything. Nearly every senior job is advertised somewhere. For example - you can apply to be Puisne Judge of the Supreme Court of Gibraltar if you like https://apply.judicialappointments.digital/vacancy/lQlCzxeR4Q5FQxCcg7D6/ https://apply.judicialappointments.digital/vacancy/lQlCzxeR4... The Royal Navy seems to advertise all levels of jobs on LinkedIn - and wider. Surely having an open and fair advertisement is better than finding someone you went to school with and discreetly tapping them on the shoulder?
- deidei 3y ago> The Royal Navy seems to advertise all levels of jobs on LinkedIn - and wider. Wasn't aware of this. Can you please link to some more similar job ads? Is this the standard in other militaries too? Based on what I know there is a roster of eligible candidates with the required experience in most countries. One of them is promoted from there to fill in the vacancy. I've never seen an ad for a post like this before.
- heisenbit 3y agoIf all the suitable insiders are not applying then maybe there is something wrong with the job? Could it be e.g. that it has all the responsibility but little power to do anything?