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I can only assume that this is going to lead to a ton of noise and anger with very little change, unfortunately. Boeing will investigate, regulators will rattl

I can only assume that this is going to lead to a ton of noise and anger with very little change, unfortunately. Boeing will investigate, regulators will rattle sabers, and the public will be very loud about this for a week until the next news cycle rolls around. We prioritize convenience above all else. The easy answer here is people could just not fly if we're actually concerned with Boeing or the industry in general. We don't have to fly, but it is convenient so we'd rather make a lot of noise about the headline without making any meaningful change. It sounds nice to expect the FAA or Boeing or whoever else to fix this, why do we so often skip the actual power we have by simply not spending our money there?

junofan 3y ago
For the same reason I can’t operate an orbital rocketry program out of my backyard. Dangerous stuff in the sky is dangerous to everybody on the ground, too.
- _heimdall 3y ago
  I'm not quite sure the connection here. What does running a rocketry program have to do with whether one chooses to fly on someone else's plane?
  - djbusby 3y ago
    Stuff in the air is the connection.
tim333 3y ago
Me not spending a flight will have zero effect on Boeing. The FAA threatening to ground their planes will however get their attention. The FAA actually do quite a good job and if anything are maybe a bit over the top in enforcing saftey given that for most people there is near zero risk of dying in a plane crash compared to a lot of stuff that people do die regularly from.
- _heimdall 3y ago
  One vote won't make a difference either, should people not vote? I'm not saying the FAA shouldn't also intervene, I'm simply pointing out that consumers almost always seem to ignore their own power in the situation. What you're describing feels much like a tragedy of the commons problem. If I chose not to fly everyone else still will and I'll be left driving around like a schmuck. I might as well fly too, and when I'm worried about safety I'll just call for more regulation.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    > One vote won't make a difference either, should people not vote? Basically, yes. Voting changes you way more than it ever changes the world, and introspection about that is worth considering.
    - strogonoff 3y ago
      Your single vote changes nothing, but having to vote changes you. You start considering politics. You debate policies, online and online. You get your opinions across and evolve them. You persuade your community, your friends and family, and they do the same with theirs. Eventually, it turns out it’s not just your single vote. That’s what happens where people can vote and expect that their vote actually counts.
    - _heimdall 3y ago
      Why is it important for everyone to cast a single vote that itself won't make a difference, but unimportant for one yo choose not to partake in an industry that they either disagree with or distrust? If one vite is worth casting simply fr the fact that it can help a person think more deeply about issues that matter to them, certainly the same could be said for how they choose to spend their money as well.
  - Eisenstein 3y ago
    Unfortunately corporations are not democracies, so no matter what happens, they can ignore our 'vote' when we use dollars. Spending or not spending money does not compel any company to do anything. So, the comparison is not valid.

junofan 3y ago

For the same reason I can’t operate an orbital rocketry program out of my backyard. Dangerous stuff in the sky is dangerous to everybody on the ground, too.

_heimdall 3y ago
I'm not quite sure the connection here. What does running a rocketry program have to do with whether one chooses to fly on someone else's plane?
- djbusby 3y ago
  Stuff in the air is the connection.

tim333 3y ago

Me not spending a flight will have zero effect on Boeing. The FAA threatening to ground their planes will however get their attention. The FAA actually do quite a good job and if anything are maybe a bit over the top in enforcing saftey given that for most people there is near zero risk of dying in a plane crash compared to a lot of stuff that people do die regularly from.

_heimdall 3y ago
One vote won't make a difference either, should people not vote? I'm not saying the FAA shouldn't also intervene, I'm simply pointing out that consumers almost always seem to ignore their own power in the situation. What you're describing feels much like a tragedy of the commons problem. If I chose not to fly everyone else still will and I'll be left driving around like a schmuck. I might as well fly too, and when I'm worried about safety I'll just call for more regulation.
- bombcar 3y ago
  > One vote won't make a difference either, should people not vote? Basically, yes. Voting changes you way more than it ever changes the world, and introspection about that is worth considering.
  - strogonoff 3y ago
    Your single vote changes nothing, but having to vote changes you. You start considering politics. You debate policies, online and online. You get your opinions across and evolve them. You persuade your community, your friends and family, and they do the same with theirs. Eventually, it turns out it’s not just your single vote. That’s what happens where people can vote and expect that their vote actually counts.
  - _heimdall 3y ago
    Why is it important for everyone to cast a single vote that itself won't make a difference, but unimportant for one yo choose not to partake in an industry that they either disagree with or distrust? If one vite is worth casting simply fr the fact that it can help a person think more deeply about issues that matter to them, certainly the same could be said for how they choose to spend their money as well.
- Eisenstein 3y ago
  Unfortunately corporations are not democracies, so no matter what happens, they can ignore our 'vote' when we use dollars. Spending or not spending money does not compel any company to do anything. So, the comparison is not valid.