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You don't. Airlines can and do switch like aircraft at the last minute all the time. Do all the planning you like, but you won't know for sure until you're sea

You don't. Airlines can and do switch like aircraft at the last minute all the time. Do all the planning you like, but you won't know for sure until you're seated and look at the safety card. So unless you intend to have a "Qantas never crashed" tantrum in the airport, you may be out of luck because the only airlines in the US that have not ordered the MAX are Spirit/Frontier (Greyhound with wings) and JetBlue, and they don't fly everywhere.

deadbabe 3y ago
People can say what they want about Spirit but I still think they’re the best airline to get around the US if you buy one of the big front seats. And the fact they don’t fly a MAX is even better.
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- boppo1 3y ago
  Idk, the mandatory sing-alongs about credit cards are pretty rough. Maybe worse than surprise skydiving.
  - hosteur 3y ago
    > the mandatory sing-alongs about credit cards Huh? Sing-alongs? What does this mean?
- sq_ 3y ago
  I somewhat agree with this when they’re running smoothly: you can pay for a few quality of life upgrades and get an experience only a little bit worse than a more expensive airline for somewhat less money. When things go wrong, though, I feel like Spirit does a pretty awful job. I had them cancel a flight on me at the last minute, and the only thing they would offer was a much later flight to an airport three hours from my destination or a flight to my destination in five days. As a result, I’d much rather fly something like Southwest. Buy a ticket at the right time and they’ll sell it to you dirt cheap, you’re pretty much guaranteed a decent experience, and if something goes wrong they have enough flights and routes and customer service policies to get you taken care of.
phil21 3y ago
It's performative, but I think next time I get a last minute equipment change to a MAX and nowhere urgent to be I might simply refuse to board and let them know exactly why. I understand it will cost money and time, and really just mostly annoy the gate agents. But at some point the actual customers need to push back on Boeing and I can't really think of any other way. The FAA has clearly failed. I'm not so naive to think I can continue air travel and not be taking the MAX quite often as time moves on, but the lack of any consequences for Boeing is rather annoying.
- merrywhether 3y ago
  If you’re public enough about it, other passengers who overhear might decide to join you. If that becomes even semi-regular and trends on social, that might be the most effective change agent. Right now regulators are increasingly broken (under-resourcing, revolving doors, political pressure, etc), so grassroots refusals are potentially the only proactive pressure we can put on airlines to demand more from their vendors. Otherwise we’ll just have to wait for reaction after there are too many incidents to ignore.
- techie128 3y ago
  FAA is under DoT. We (consumers) have several options to force FAA to act. Complain to the DoT, contact your senator and/or sue them.
- metabagel 3y ago
  I used to refuse to go through the airport scanner, which required a physical pat down. Unfortunately, not enough people did so, and eventually I gave in. My concern was that I wasn’t reassured that the devices had been adequately tested. I also consider them to be mostly security theater. So, what I’m saying here is don’t count on others sharing your concerns and following suit.
r053bud 3y ago
I only really fly Delta and they don’t have any MAX aircraft, so that makes things easy. The majority of Delta flights I’ve been on are Airbus aircraft. I’ve only flown on one Boeing (737-800) in the past two years and that was from a non-hub Delta airport.
- Reubachi 3y ago
  then you should be concerned that your airline of choice (delta) has already paid for and taken delivery of dozens of over 100 737 max's. They made this purchase years after the initial 737 max issues, and ofc years of issues Post MD merger. They also are putting about 30 percent of the seats as premium/high cost seating. for some reason. Delta and especially boeing do not have your safety at heart, they have the bottom line at heart and will put you in whatever is most cost effective.

deadbabe 3y ago

People can say what they want about Spirit but I still think they’re the best airline to get around the US if you buy one of the big front seats. And the fact they don’t fly a MAX is even better.

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boppo1 3y ago
Idk, the mandatory sing-alongs about credit cards are pretty rough. Maybe worse than surprise skydiving.
- hosteur 3y ago
  > the mandatory sing-alongs about credit cards Huh? Sing-alongs? What does this mean?
sq_ 3y ago
I somewhat agree with this when they’re running smoothly: you can pay for a few quality of life upgrades and get an experience only a little bit worse than a more expensive airline for somewhat less money. When things go wrong, though, I feel like Spirit does a pretty awful job. I had them cancel a flight on me at the last minute, and the only thing they would offer was a much later flight to an airport three hours from my destination or a flight to my destination in five days. As a result, I’d much rather fly something like Southwest. Buy a ticket at the right time and they’ll sell it to you dirt cheap, you’re pretty much guaranteed a decent experience, and if something goes wrong they have enough flights and routes and customer service policies to get you taken care of.

phil21 3y ago

It's performative, but I think next time I get a last minute equipment change to a MAX and nowhere urgent to be I might simply refuse to board and let them know exactly why. I understand it will cost money and time, and really just mostly annoy the gate agents. But at some point the actual customers need to push back on Boeing and I can't really think of any other way. The FAA has clearly failed. I'm not so naive to think I can continue air travel and not be taking the MAX quite often as time moves on, but the lack of any consequences for Boeing is rather annoying.

merrywhether 3y ago
If you’re public enough about it, other passengers who overhear might decide to join you. If that becomes even semi-regular and trends on social, that might be the most effective change agent. Right now regulators are increasingly broken (under-resourcing, revolving doors, political pressure, etc), so grassroots refusals are potentially the only proactive pressure we can put on airlines to demand more from their vendors. Otherwise we’ll just have to wait for reaction after there are too many incidents to ignore.
techie128 3y ago
FAA is under DoT. We (consumers) have several options to force FAA to act. Complain to the DoT, contact your senator and/or sue them.
metabagel 3y ago
I used to refuse to go through the airport scanner, which required a physical pat down. Unfortunately, not enough people did so, and eventually I gave in. My concern was that I wasn’t reassured that the devices had been adequately tested. I also consider them to be mostly security theater. So, what I’m saying here is don’t count on others sharing your concerns and following suit.

r053bud 3y ago

I only really fly Delta and they don’t have any MAX aircraft, so that makes things easy. The majority of Delta flights I’ve been on are Airbus aircraft. I’ve only flown on one Boeing (737-800) in the past two years and that was from a non-hub Delta airport.

Reubachi 3y ago
then you should be concerned that your airline of choice (delta) has already paid for and taken delivery of dozens of over 100 737 max's. They made this purchase years after the initial 737 max issues, and ofc years of issues Post MD merger. They also are putting about 30 percent of the seats as premium/high cost seating. for some reason. Delta and especially boeing do not have your safety at heart, they have the bottom line at heart and will put you in whatever is most cost effective.