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From Wikipedia: Comac C919 - First flight: 2017, introduced 2023, number built: 10 (3 in service?) Sukhoi Superjet 100 - First flight: 2008, introduced 2011,

From Wikipedia: Comac C919 - First flight: 2017, introduced 2023, number built: 10 (3 in service?) Sukhoi Superjet 100 - First flight: 2008, introduced 2011, number built: 229 Boeing 737 MAX - First flight: 2016, introduced 2017, number built: 1,376 Airbus A320 NEO - First flight: 2014, introduced 2016, number built: 3,092 They're not even in the same ballpark. It'll take Comac decades to make those inroads and Sukhoi is done for.

oska 3y ago
Why do you think the Sukhoi is 'done for' ?
- consp 3y ago
  Impossibility to get parts legally due to sanctions.
  - oska 3y ago
    My understanding is that they have developed an import substitution plan for the jet and are resolved to keep producing it. [1] For instance, they are substituting the original SaM-146 engines with fully domestically produced PD-8 engines and I understand they are already, or close to testing the first prototype with the new engines (they already tested an earlier prototype with other import substitutions but which still had the old engines). [2] [1] https://asiatimes.com/2023/09/russia-defies-sanctions-with-homemade-sukhoi-superjet/ https://asiatimes.com/2023/09/russia-defies-sanctions-with-h... [2] https://tass.com/economy/1699907 https://tass.com/economy/1699907
    - ffgjgf1 3y ago
      > or close to testing the first prototype with the new engines Considering that Russian engineering culture is even worse than that of Boeing (and probably massively so) it’s unlikely that they can ever be competitive if that’s the main issue
    - sofixa 3y ago
      Which begs the question, why didn't they use those engines initially? The answer is probably in their efficiency, because Russian engines are not known for that.
DrNosferatu 3y ago
Also the Embraer E195-E2.
rvba 3y ago
Remember that the whole country stands behind the chinese plane - they can just order their own lines to use it
- gmerc 3y ago
  Basically like Boeing - it’s a defense asset. No difference

oska 3y ago

Why do you think the Sukhoi is 'done for' ?

consp 3y ago
Impossibility to get parts legally due to sanctions.
- oska 3y ago
  My understanding is that they have developed an import substitution plan for the jet and are resolved to keep producing it. [1] For instance, they are substituting the original SaM-146 engines with fully domestically produced PD-8 engines and I understand they are already, or close to testing the first prototype with the new engines (they already tested an earlier prototype with other import substitutions but which still had the old engines). [2] [1] https://asiatimes.com/2023/09/russia-defies-sanctions-with-homemade-sukhoi-superjet/ https://asiatimes.com/2023/09/russia-defies-sanctions-with-h... [2] https://tass.com/economy/1699907 https://tass.com/economy/1699907
  - ffgjgf1 3y ago
    > or close to testing the first prototype with the new engines Considering that Russian engineering culture is even worse than that of Boeing (and probably massively so) it’s unlikely that they can ever be competitive if that’s the main issue
  - sofixa 3y ago
    Which begs the question, why didn't they use those engines initially? The answer is probably in their efficiency, because Russian engines are not known for that.

DrNosferatu 3y ago

Also the Embraer E195-E2.

rvba 3y ago

Remember that the whole country stands behind the chinese plane - they can just order their own lines to use it

gmerc 3y ago
Basically like Boeing - it’s a defense asset. No difference