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Its not Airbus. The Chinese Comac C919 and Sukhoi SJ100 are the two main aircraft placing enormous pressure on Boeing internationally. FAA approval is a slam-
by nimbius 3y ago
Its not Airbus. The Chinese Comac C919 and Sukhoi SJ100 are the two main aircraft placing enormous pressure on Boeing internationally. FAA approval is a slam-dunk for them in foreign markets as it renews confidence in the brand and allows them to compete against newcomers that are arguably just as good or better than the max series of widebodies and come in at a fraction of the cost.
Boeing management --and their flat-out inability to out-innovate the competition at cost-- are the real reason behind the push to certify at all cost.
- throwup238 3y agoFrom Wikipedia: Comac C919 - First flight: 2017, introduced 2023, number built: 10 (3 in service?) Sukhoi Superjet 100 - First flight: 2008, introduced 2011, number built: 229 Boeing 737 MAX - First flight: 2016, introduced 2017, number built: 1,376 Airbus A320 NEO - First flight: 2014, introduced 2016, number built: 3,092 They're not even in the same ballpark. It'll take Comac decades to make those inroads and Sukhoi is done for.
- oska 3y agoWhy do you think the Sukhoi is 'done for' ?
- consp 3y agoImpossibility to get parts legally due to sanctions.
- oska 3y agoMy understanding is that they have developed an import substitution plan for the jet and are resolved to keep producing it. [1] For instance, they are substituting the original SaM-146 engines with fully domestically produced PD-8 engines and I understand they are already, or close to testing the first prototype with the new engines (they already tested an earlier prototype with other import substitutions but which still had the old engines). [2] [1] https://asiatimes.com/2023/09/russia-defies-sanctions-with-homemade-sukhoi-superjet/ https://asiatimes.com/2023/09/russia-defies-sanctions-with-h... [2] https://tass.com/economy/1699907 https://tass.com/economy/1699907
- ffgjgf1 3y ago> or close to testing the first prototype with the new engines Considering that Russian engineering culture is even worse than that of Boeing (and probably massively so) it’s unlikely that they can ever be competitive if that’s the main issue
- sofixa 3y agoWhich begs the question, why didn't they use those engines initially? The answer is probably in their efficiency, because Russian engines are not known for that.
- DrNosferatu 3y agoAlso the Embraer E195-E2.
- rvba 3y agoRemember that the whole country stands behind the chinese plane - they can just order their own lines to use it
- gmerc 3y agoBasically like Boeing - it’s a defense asset. No difference
- sofixa 3y agoThat's simply untrue. The Sukhoi SJ100 is a different type of plane (<100 passenger capacity), comparable to an Embraer E190. Neither it nor the Comac C919 are "widebodies". The C919 is a decent plane, but by most accounts a decade behind in tech and efficiency. And for short-haul operations, efficiency is the most important thing. The only real competitor to Boeing today is Airbus. Comac can be one 10-20 years down the line.
- tremon 3y agoFAA approval is a slam-dunk for them in foreign markets FAA approval is only a slam-dunk because it is recognized internationally as a steward of quality and reliability. By asking the FAA to start certifying sub-par planes, Boeing will not only destroy their own brand but will bring the FAA down with them.
- barrkel 3y agoRussia is barely able to keep its planes in the air, and you think they're a competitor?