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I am hoping that the modern world is not one single system that can crash all at once, but is rather many systems, such that a crash leaves room for new things

I am hoping that the modern world is not one single system that can crash all at once, but is rather many systems, such that a crash leaves room for new things to grow bigger

tehjoker 3y ago
it didn't used to be, but now it is. the magic of growth and interconnection
- kylebenzle 3y ago
  Yes, the connecting thread is the USD hegemony. Hyperinflation and eventual collapse is not only possible but has been inevitable ever since QE started. The stock market is now a farce and price is dictated by market makers, not "discovered". The housing market is nonsensical and has priced a generation out of home ownership. The US military is evil incarnate and our civil court system is based on whoever has the most money and is willing to lie wins. I'm doing everything I can to speed the collapse of a broken system and I'm sure there are many more like me. The USD and therefore the world is on a count down timer to total collapse, problem is no one knows how long we have left.
  - nnx 3y ago
    > I'm doing everything I can to speed the collapse of a broken system How?
    - oblio 3y ago
      By posting that comment.
  - ianbicking 3y ago
    There are so many more systems than the USD. There's many more systems than money itself! There are industrial systems, food systems, logistical systems, educational systems, ethical systems, religious systems, political systems. It's naive to think all those systems are subservient to some other "master" system, or that the fragility of those systems is multiplicative instead of offering complementary strengths. It's naive because none of those systems developed dependent on the other systems, nor were they independent; they've all been developing together for thousands of years. It's like an ecosystem of systems; if one fails (such as currency) then there's a dozen or more others that are ready to pick up the pieces. And it's myopic to think currency is even one of the more important systems, as though it's somehow more important than the other foundations of human experience that led us here.
  - CapstanRoller 3y ago
    >I'm doing everything I can to speed the collapse of a broken system and I'm sure there are many more like me. You and the people you care about will, of course, be totally unaffected and simply observe the suffering of Those Other People Who Don't Matter from a distance, then step out of your bunker into the newly rejuvenated world and begin enjoying life? Wake up! YOU ARE ALSO INSIDE THIS MACHINE, ALONG WITH EVERYONE YOU KNOW AND LOVE.
    - namaria 3y ago
      Accelerationists and preppers are merely engaging in self soothing behavior to mitigate their discomfort stemming from a lack of understanding and control over the world.
      - CapstanRoller 3y ago
        Some of them are sociopaths, and the accelerationist crowd especially is full of unabashed fascists.
        namaria 3y ago
        Fair enough, I was thinking about people reaching such positions under the impression that they are correct, not those appropriating a convenient narrative to serve their goals.
  - namaria 3y ago
    Every complex adaptive systems exists teetering on the edge of collapse. Doomsayers are not insightful, they are just near sighted. And accelerationism is an incredibly pretentious stance. People actually think they have understood perfectly what civilization is and what it ought to become. That is a colossal claim.
namaria 3y ago
It's both. That's the nature of systems. You can loose a lot of muscle mass and survive, but very little brain tissue. Civilization could survive large chunks collapsing but would likely hit a wall if key cities and people were to be eliminated at once.
cobber2005 3y ago
There is a model of nested dynamic systems called 'panarchy'. > Panarchy is the structure in which systems, including those of nature (e.g., forests) and of humans (e.g., capitalism), as well as combined human-natural systems (e.g., institutions that govern natural resource use such as the Forest Service), are interlinked in continual adaptive cycles of growth, accumulation, restructuring [which sometimes is a collapse], and renewal. These transformational cycles take place at scales ranging from a drop of water to the biosphere, over periods from days to geologic epochs. https://islandpress.org/books/panarchy https://islandpress.org/books/panarchy

I am hoping that the modern world is not one single system that can crash all at once, but is rather many systems, such that a crash leaves room for new things to grow bigger

tehjoker 3y ago

it didn't used to be, but now it is. the magic of growth and interconnection

kylebenzle 3y ago
Yes, the connecting thread is the USD hegemony. Hyperinflation and eventual collapse is not only possible but has been inevitable ever since QE started. The stock market is now a farce and price is dictated by market makers, not "discovered". The housing market is nonsensical and has priced a generation out of home ownership. The US military is evil incarnate and our civil court system is based on whoever has the most money and is willing to lie wins. I'm doing everything I can to speed the collapse of a broken system and I'm sure there are many more like me. The USD and therefore the world is on a count down timer to total collapse, problem is no one knows how long we have left.
- nnx 3y ago
  > I'm doing everything I can to speed the collapse of a broken system How?
  - oblio 3y ago
    By posting that comment.
- ianbicking 3y ago
  There are so many more systems than the USD. There's many more systems than money itself! There are industrial systems, food systems, logistical systems, educational systems, ethical systems, religious systems, political systems. It's naive to think all those systems are subservient to some other "master" system, or that the fragility of those systems is multiplicative instead of offering complementary strengths. It's naive because none of those systems developed dependent on the other systems, nor were they independent; they've all been developing together for thousands of years. It's like an ecosystem of systems; if one fails (such as currency) then there's a dozen or more others that are ready to pick up the pieces. And it's myopic to think currency is even one of the more important systems, as though it's somehow more important than the other foundations of human experience that led us here.
- CapstanRoller 3y ago
  >I'm doing everything I can to speed the collapse of a broken system and I'm sure there are many more like me. You and the people you care about will, of course, be totally unaffected and simply observe the suffering of Those Other People Who Don't Matter from a distance, then step out of your bunker into the newly rejuvenated world and begin enjoying life? Wake up! YOU ARE ALSO INSIDE THIS MACHINE, ALONG WITH EVERYONE YOU KNOW AND LOVE.
  - namaria 3y ago
    Accelerationists and preppers are merely engaging in self soothing behavior to mitigate their discomfort stemming from a lack of understanding and control over the world.
    - CapstanRoller 3y ago
      Some of them are sociopaths, and the accelerationist crowd especially is full of unabashed fascists.
      - namaria 3y ago
        Fair enough, I was thinking about people reaching such positions under the impression that they are correct, not those appropriating a convenient narrative to serve their goals.
- namaria 3y ago
  Every complex adaptive systems exists teetering on the edge of collapse. Doomsayers are not insightful, they are just near sighted. And accelerationism is an incredibly pretentious stance. People actually think they have understood perfectly what civilization is and what it ought to become. That is a colossal claim.

namaria 3y ago

It's both. That's the nature of systems. You can loose a lot of muscle mass and survive, but very little brain tissue. Civilization could survive large chunks collapsing but would likely hit a wall if key cities and people were to be eliminated at once.

cobber2005 3y ago

There is a model of nested dynamic systems called 'panarchy'. > Panarchy is the structure in which systems, including those of nature (e.g., forests) and of humans (e.g., capitalism), as well as combined human-natural systems (e.g., institutions that govern natural resource use such as the Forest Service), are interlinked in continual adaptive cycles of growth, accumulation, restructuring [which sometimes is a collapse], and renewal. These transformational cycles take place at scales ranging from a drop of water to the biosphere, over periods from days to geologic epochs. https://islandpress.org/books/panarchy https://islandpress.org/books/panarchy