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> any device a child has access to. That's not the world we live in today. Stores local to me will sell a (terrible but internet capable) phone for $35 to anyo
by dmm 3y ago
> any device a child has access to.
That's not the world we live in today. Stores local to me will sell a (terrible but internet capable) phone for $35 to anyone. So you are proposing moving the age verification to the device purchasing stage?
- phantom784 3y agoPlus, a minor could use their friends' devices. Their parents may not have set up any controls on those devices.
- JohnMakin 3y agoIf only parents had a way of controlling who children associated with. If only.
- whythre 3y agoIf that is the worry, then bad influences won’t be stopped by some shitty internet-wide age verification. Teens can bully each other with their cameras, or words. If their peers are the problem, no amount of government playing internet cop will help.
- huytersd 3y agoNo smart phone and no social media for kids society wide and we go back to good old fashioned bullying in person. That’s much easier to curtail.
- phantom784 3y agoI don't think that age verification is a good idea. But I don't think the counter-argument that "parents can just monitor their kids' devices" really holds water - there's still plenty of ways around it.
- JohnMakin 3y agoComplete strawman on a complete strawman situation that isn’t even real. What $35 phone out there has the network bandwidth for porn that isn’t tied to identity in a way that a parent couldn’t easily spot and prevent?
- ipaddr 3y agoA smaller place like mintmobile would cost 15 a month.
- dmm 3y ago> What $35 phone out there has the network bandwidth for porn that isn’t tied to identity in a way that a parent couldn’t easily spot and prevent? Here's a couple. You can buy these and use them with the free wifi at McDonalds or with a $30 prepaid plan. I'm not saying I support these age verification schemes but saying parents can easily control access to the internet is dead wrong. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Metro-by-T-Mobile-TCL-ION-X-32GB-Black-Prepaid-Smartphone/1609453078 https://www.walmart.com/ip/Metro-by-T-Mobile-TCL-ION-X-32GB-... https://www.walmart.com/ip/Simple-Mobile-Nokia-C110-32GB-Grey-Prepaid-Smartphone-Locked-to-Simple-Mobile/2061906001 https://www.walmart.com/ip/Simple-Mobile-Nokia-C110-32GB-Gre...
- nulld3v 3y agoBTW I can pay $30-$100 for a decent Android phone (low end Motorola/Samsung) and a year of talk/text/data in the US. These deals are extremely common in the US: https://slickdeals.net/newsearch.php?q=tracfone&searcharea=deals&searchin=first&isUserSearch=1 https://slickdeals.net/newsearch.php?q=tracfone&searcharea=d...
- huytersd 3y agoYes, children under 18 should not have access to a smart phone or social media.
- dragonmost 3y agoIf the kid is smart enough to get a "throwaway" device to circumvent parent supervision what makes you believe he won't be able to circumvent gouvernement internet oversight? Even China and North Korea can't prevent their citizens from doing so.
- jstarfish 3y agoPrisoners acquire cellphones illegally. It doesn't mean we don't bother enforcing the rule because they can bypass it. We confiscate phones as discovered to disrupt those efforts. We love disruption around here, right? The point of this is to introduce friction. The goal is not 100% effectiveness and it's a strawman to suggest it is.
- dragonmost 3y agoBanning cell phones from prisons doesn't affect law abiding citizen. Forcing ID check is a privacy scandal in the making for what I'm my opinion is the government taking decisions on behalf of parents. Just make a gouvernement sanctionned DNS with basic instruction how to set it up or let ISP set it up for you. Good old awareness and education.
- nitwit005 3y agoThe kids could also pay an adult to get past the age verification check for them too. Once you get to a state where the kid is unsupervised, is determined to break the rules, and has money to help them do it, they're going to succeed.