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Apple owns what they create. Why do you feel entitled to demand things from them?

by pests 3y ago

AnthonyMouse 3y ago
They sold what they created to someone else. Now the someone else owns it, but Apple still wants to control it. You either get the money or you keep the stuff. You don't get to take the money and retain ownership control of the stuff.
- pests 3y ago
  You didn't buy a full license to their software. You bought a phone that is a complete package. What entitles you to try to install their software on stuff they don't want it on or didn't build it to supprt? Do you want them to spend money developing iOS for other devices, just so you can take that for free and install it on an Android? You knew the rules before you pulled out your wallet. For iMessage - they run a service that costs money. Why should they just give it out for free? Sure, they give it to their customers for free, but why does that mean you get it too? It would be like sneaking into a complimentary hotel breakfast. Sure, you managed to grab someone's keycard - you technically can get past the restrictions. Still eating food someone else paid for. Just because you have friends eating already and you want to join them doesn't make it right.
  - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
    > You didn't buy a full license to their software. You bought a copy of their software. Now that copy is yours and not theirs. Why shouldn't you be able to transfer your copy of it to whatever you want or use it however you want? You paid for it. Licensing is for granting additional rights you don't otherwise get with a copy, e.g. a volume license allows you to reproduce additional copies for multiple devices at once, or the GPL allows you to reproduce and distribute copies to other people under certain terms. Taking away rights via license is inconsistent with the first sale doctrine. > Do you want them to spend money developing iOS for other devices, just so you can take that for free and install it on an Android? Why would it have to be free? You don't get Windows for free. But you can install it on a Dell in addition to a Surface, and so can Dell. > You knew the rules before you pulled out your wallet. Saying "you knew the rules" is not how you establish someone's authority to create rules. > For iMessage - they run a service that costs money. This is a fig leaf. Messaging services cost a negligible amount of money to operate and if anybody actually cared about this, no one is demanding for them to operate it themselves anyway rather than using or creating a protocol that supports federation. Notice that substantially all of the other popular messaging services are just as free to everyone, including the ones not limited to any particular platform.

Apple owns what they create. Why do you feel entitled to demand things from them?

by pests 3y ago

Apple owns what they create. Why do you feel entitled to demand things from them?

They sold what they created to someone else. Now the someone else owns it, but Apple still wants to control it. You either get the money or you keep the stuff. You don't get to take the money and retain ownership control of the stuff.

pests 3y ago
You didn't buy a full license to their software. You bought a phone that is a complete package. What entitles you to try to install their software on stuff they don't want it on or didn't build it to supprt? Do you want them to spend money developing iOS for other devices, just so you can take that for free and install it on an Android? You knew the rules before you pulled out your wallet. For iMessage - they run a service that costs money. Why should they just give it out for free? Sure, they give it to their customers for free, but why does that mean you get it too? It would be like sneaking into a complimentary hotel breakfast. Sure, you managed to grab someone's keycard - you technically can get past the restrictions. Still eating food someone else paid for. Just because you have friends eating already and you want to join them doesn't make it right.
- AnthonyMouse 3y ago
  > You didn't buy a full license to their software. You bought a copy of their software. Now that copy is yours and not theirs. Why shouldn't you be able to transfer your copy of it to whatever you want or use it however you want? You paid for it. Licensing is for granting additional rights you don't otherwise get with a copy, e.g. a volume license allows you to reproduce additional copies for multiple devices at once, or the GPL allows you to reproduce and distribute copies to other people under certain terms. Taking away rights via license is inconsistent with the first sale doctrine. > Do you want them to spend money developing iOS for other devices, just so you can take that for free and install it on an Android? Why would it have to be free? You don't get Windows for free. But you can install it on a Dell in addition to a Surface, and so can Dell. > You knew the rules before you pulled out your wallet. Saying "you knew the rules" is not how you establish someone's authority to create rules. > For iMessage - they run a service that costs money. This is a fig leaf. Messaging services cost a negligible amount of money to operate and if anybody actually cared about this, no one is demanding for them to operate it themselves anyway rather than using or creating a protocol that supports federation. Notice that substantially all of the other popular messaging services are just as free to everyone, including the ones not limited to any particular platform.