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And yet, look at the clear blue plastic peripherals that saturated the PC market post iMac. > USB became popular due to digital cameras, USB printers and scann

by sbuk 3y ago

And yet, look at the clear blue plastic peripherals that saturated the PC market post iMac. > USB became popular due to digital cameras, USB printers and scanners, flash drives and the like In the late 90's/early 00's, who were using technology like that? Designers. What were they using? iMacs...

AlbertCory 3y ago
You're really grasping at straws here. They've been an NIH company since the beginning, and now you & few others are desperately touting the one, or one of the few areas where they embraced standards. Assuming they did. As for "In the late 90's/early 00's, who were using technology like that? Designers. " I believe that is just wrong. Mac users might have had an outsized impact, but the mass market always refrained from jumping on things until they were available for Windows.
- sbuk 3y ago
  > They've been an NIH company since the beginning So who did Woz copy for the Apple I ][ and ///? > and now you & few others are desperately touting the one, or one of the few areas where they embraced standards. Assuming they did. They were one of the first adopters, if not the first. They have been involved in the design of nearly every USB standard since; Micro USB being a notable exception. > I believe that is just wrong. Mac users might have had an outsized impact, but the mass market always refrained from jumping on things until they were available for Windows. Go get a copy of a computer magazine from around 6 months after the iMac G3 was released... The thing is that on one hand, you're claiming that they're not innovative and on the other, suffering from NIH syndrome, so by implication, innovating. Which is it?
  - AlbertCory 3y ago
    oh, you think you've found a contradiction. Fun. I never said they were "innovating." And it's funny how you all concentrate on USB and avoid AppleTalk. Or the Newton, which came about because Sculley stabbed their own alumni in the back. Or the "apple online network" (early 90's) which I can't even find the name of now. Or, for that matter, FireWire, which found almost no lasting traction in the Windows world. And of course you all decline to talk about their failure to make any contribution to the IETF. Or threatening to sue Microsoft over Windows.
- theshackleford 3y ago
  > I believe What you believe is irrelevant, especially when it has no foundation in reality.
  - AlbertCory 3y ago
    You could try facts. If that's not too much bother. The Internet was around then. The Wayback Machine was, too.
layer8 3y ago
No one I know who was using those technologies at the time (including myself) was a designer nor used a Mac. Apple had 2-3% market share in the early 00s, and still below 5% in 2005. Virtually every computer user was using USB for one thing or another by then.
- sbuk 3y ago
  So a base of N+1. I was a designer in the late 90's/early 00's. I worked for a large, well known global agency. We had iMacs. I also had one at home and remember the "pain" of USB, though supported peripherals (Iomega ZIP disks spring to mind) came fast, mainly aimed at the largest userbase for Macs at the time - designers.
  - layer8 3y ago
    I happened to use a ZIP drive as well on the PC. There’s no relation to Macs here. Designers in the US tended to use Macs, yes, but this isn’t what drove USB adoption, and it would have happened in much the same way without them.
    - sbuk 3y ago
      USB ZIP drive on a PC in 1999? Possibly with an added card. I called ZIP drives out specifically because I remember being surprised at how quick they were in comparison to SCSI attached ZIP drives. And how much less hassle they were. I sort of agree with what you are saying, but don't underestimate the impact that the G3 had on the desktop computing landscape.

by sbuk 3y ago

AlbertCory 3y ago

You're really grasping at straws here. They've been an NIH company since the beginning, and now you & few others are desperately touting the one, or one of the few areas where they embraced standards. Assuming they did. As for "In the late 90's/early 00's, who were using technology like that? Designers. " I believe that is just wrong. Mac users might have had an outsized impact, but the mass market always refrained from jumping on things until they were available for Windows.

sbuk 3y ago
> They've been an NIH company since the beginning So who did Woz copy for the Apple I ][ and ///? > and now you & few others are desperately touting the one, or one of the few areas where they embraced standards. Assuming they did. They were one of the first adopters, if not the first. They have been involved in the design of nearly every USB standard since; Micro USB being a notable exception. > I believe that is just wrong. Mac users might have had an outsized impact, but the mass market always refrained from jumping on things until they were available for Windows. Go get a copy of a computer magazine from around 6 months after the iMac G3 was released... The thing is that on one hand, you're claiming that they're not innovative and on the other, suffering from NIH syndrome, so by implication, innovating. Which is it?
- AlbertCory 3y ago
  oh, you think you've found a contradiction. Fun. I never said they were "innovating." And it's funny how you all concentrate on USB and avoid AppleTalk. Or the Newton, which came about because Sculley stabbed their own alumni in the back. Or the "apple online network" (early 90's) which I can't even find the name of now. Or, for that matter, FireWire, which found almost no lasting traction in the Windows world. And of course you all decline to talk about their failure to make any contribution to the IETF. Or threatening to sue Microsoft over Windows.
theshackleford 3y ago
> I believe What you believe is irrelevant, especially when it has no foundation in reality.
- AlbertCory 3y ago
  You could try facts. If that's not too much bother. The Internet was around then. The Wayback Machine was, too.

layer8 3y ago

No one I know who was using those technologies at the time (including myself) was a designer nor used a Mac. Apple had 2-3% market share in the early 00s, and still below 5% in 2005. Virtually every computer user was using USB for one thing or another by then.

sbuk 3y ago
So a base of N+1. I was a designer in the late 90's/early 00's. I worked for a large, well known global agency. We had iMacs. I also had one at home and remember the "pain" of USB, though supported peripherals (Iomega ZIP disks spring to mind) came fast, mainly aimed at the largest userbase for Macs at the time - designers.
- layer8 3y ago
  I happened to use a ZIP drive as well on the PC. There’s no relation to Macs here. Designers in the US tended to use Macs, yes, but this isn’t what drove USB adoption, and it would have happened in much the same way without them.
  - sbuk 3y ago
    USB ZIP drive on a PC in 1999? Possibly with an added card. I called ZIP drives out specifically because I remember being surprised at how quick they were in comparison to SCSI attached ZIP drives. And how much less hassle they were. I sort of agree with what you are saying, but don't underestimate the impact that the G3 had on the desktop computing landscape.