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TLDR Godel believed we lived in a rational world. "Precisely in virtue of the fact that our lives consist in unfulfilled or spoiled potential makes him confiden

TLDR Godel believed we lived in a rational world. "Precisely in virtue of the fact that our lives consist in unfulfilled or spoiled potential makes him confident that this lifetime is but a staging ground for things to come. But, again, that is only if the world is rationally structured."

Detrytus 3y ago
Yes, once you discover limitations of logic you start hedging your bets by believing in illogical things :)
spywaregorilla 3y ago
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/real-3 https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/real-3
- miles 3y ago
  That comic could just as easily have displayed these 3 quotes instead: Einstein: "I believe in Spinoza's God." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_vi... Schrödinger: "Consciousness, by its very nature, exists only in the singular. I would like to say: the total number of all 'consciousnesses' is always just 'one'." https://de.wikiquote.org/wiki/Erwin_Schrödinger https://de.wikiquote.org/wiki/Erwin_Schrödinger Gödel: "God must exist." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel%27s_ontological_proof https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel%27s_ontological_proof
nkjnlknlk 3y ago
> I like Jordan Peterson's evolutionary take on these philosophical questions Why when actual evolutionary biologists disagree with Peterson on most of his "takes"?
- fsckboy 3y ago
  Peterson's a psychologist, an important field that many evolutionary biologists and HNers sadly don't quite understand, though they do very good work otherwise.
  - some_furry 3y ago
    > Just for the record since people can't see it, I had tons of upvotes before I added the part about Peterson. All the "logicians" here suddenly were not able to like (an emotion) the part of my comment that they had previously liked :) Please don't turn an unrelated topic into a flamewar about Jorpson
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  - mistermann 3y ago
    > You seem to be a person of faith, there's no arguing with people of faith. Can you describe the methodology you used to determine that this is necessarily true, with zero exceptions? > I just understand the limits of what we can actually know... Ah, a perfectly rational human....this is like the 50th or so I've encountered this week! Careful...faith is fundamental to human consciousness, and cultures, it comes in a wide variety of forms, and those who suffer from it typically are rendered unable to self-diagnose.
    - fsckboy 3y ago
      my apologies, you came in late, i'm on the other side (your side) of this debate, I was debating a rationalist, using the subterfuge of pointing out the religion that is materialism. some material that was getting downvoted was removed
      - mistermann 3y ago
        Ah ok....humans are interesting eh? So much potential, but so determined to fail. edit: wait a minute....wtf am I quoting from here? None of what I quoted now exists, yet there's no edit indicator on your comment....hmmmmm.

Detrytus 3y ago

Yes, once you discover limitations of logic you start hedging your bets by believing in illogical things :)

spywaregorilla 3y ago

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/real-3 https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/real-3

miles 3y ago
That comic could just as easily have displayed these 3 quotes instead: Einstein: "I believe in Spinoza's God." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_vi... Schrödinger: "Consciousness, by its very nature, exists only in the singular. I would like to say: the total number of all 'consciousnesses' is always just 'one'." https://de.wikiquote.org/wiki/Erwin_Schrödinger https://de.wikiquote.org/wiki/Erwin_Schrödinger Gödel: "God must exist." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel%27s_ontological_proof https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel%27s_ontological_proof

nkjnlknlk 3y ago

> I like Jordan Peterson's evolutionary take on these philosophical questions Why when actual evolutionary biologists disagree with Peterson on most of his "takes"?

fsckboy 3y ago
Peterson's a psychologist, an important field that many evolutionary biologists and HNers sadly don't quite understand, though they do very good work otherwise.
- some_furry 3y ago
  > Just for the record since people can't see it, I had tons of upvotes before I added the part about Peterson. All the "logicians" here suddenly were not able to like (an emotion) the part of my comment that they had previously liked :) Please don't turn an unrelated topic into a flamewar about Jorpson
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- mistermann 3y ago
  > You seem to be a person of faith, there's no arguing with people of faith. Can you describe the methodology you used to determine that this is necessarily true, with zero exceptions? > I just understand the limits of what we can actually know... Ah, a perfectly rational human....this is like the 50th or so I've encountered this week! Careful...faith is fundamental to human consciousness, and cultures, it comes in a wide variety of forms, and those who suffer from it typically are rendered unable to self-diagnose.
  - fsckboy 3y ago
    my apologies, you came in late, i'm on the other side (your side) of this debate, I was debating a rationalist, using the subterfuge of pointing out the religion that is materialism. some material that was getting downvoted was removed
    - mistermann 3y ago
      Ah ok....humans are interesting eh? So much potential, but so determined to fail. edit: wait a minute....wtf am I quoting from here? None of what I quoted now exists, yet there's no edit indicator on your comment....hmmmmm.