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> Is it so hard to live and let live? Only if "live and let live" goes both ways. Junkies make it a drain on their family and social circle to support them. Th

> Is it so hard to live and let live? Only if "live and let live" goes both ways. Junkies make it a drain on their family and social circle to support them. They also mess up the public spaces and make those unlivable (looking at you, SF). If they behaved within limits of socially acceptable behavior, I would support "live and let live" when it comes to drugs.

InSteady 3y ago
I guarantee for every "homeless junkie" in SF or any city, there are dozens if not hundreds of functional and semi-functional substance users. Don't get me wrong, the nature of some drugs, especially heroin/fent, meth, cocaine, and alcohol, mean a significant percentage of users are going to completely fuck up their lives and the lives of those around them due to addiction. It's weird how with illegal drugs we tend to blame the drug and the user, whereas with alcoholics, nicotine addicts, etc we tend to only blame the user. Does your opinion hold, that we should also not "live and let live" with dysfunctional homeless alcoholics? Believe me, they also make a mess of themselves and the neighborhoods they camp out in. Anyway. Addiction is a beast. But using intoxicants to escape, augment, and/or enhance reality is a basic part of human (and animal) nature. On HN we all love to talk about incentives guiding behavior. Well when your life has been shit and likely will be shit indefinitely (due to health, social, economic, and other factors), perhaps in spite of any effort you are capable of implementing, the incentive to get some kind of enjoyment out of it anyway, regardless of the cost, is pretty damn high.
- RestlessMind 3y ago
  > with alcoholics, nicotine addicts, etc we tend to only blame the user. I see alcohol, nicotine, guns etc regulated heavily where I live. So yes, society does take those things seriously too. > Does your opinion hold, that we should also not "live and let live" with dysfunctional homeless alcoholics? Of course, if they create public nuisance.
broscillator 3y ago
Cars kill and maul people, destroy infrastructure, pollute the environment, definitely mess up public spaces.
- RestlessMind 3y ago
  Which is why cars are heavily regulated - there are tons of rules about who gets to drive one, how that license can be revoked, a full table of punishments if you break those rules, requirements to buy insurance etc. So you are also in favor of heavy regulation of drugs then?

InSteady 3y ago

I guarantee for every "homeless junkie" in SF or any city, there are dozens if not hundreds of functional and semi-functional substance users. Don't get me wrong, the nature of some drugs, especially heroin/fent, meth, cocaine, and alcohol, mean a significant percentage of users are going to completely fuck up their lives and the lives of those around them due to addiction. It's weird how with illegal drugs we tend to blame the drug and the user, whereas with alcoholics, nicotine addicts, etc we tend to only blame the user. Does your opinion hold, that we should also not "live and let live" with dysfunctional homeless alcoholics? Believe me, they also make a mess of themselves and the neighborhoods they camp out in. Anyway. Addiction is a beast. But using intoxicants to escape, augment, and/or enhance reality is a basic part of human (and animal) nature. On HN we all love to talk about incentives guiding behavior. Well when your life has been shit and likely will be shit indefinitely (due to health, social, economic, and other factors), perhaps in spite of any effort you are capable of implementing, the incentive to get some kind of enjoyment out of it anyway, regardless of the cost, is pretty damn high.

RestlessMind 3y ago
> with alcoholics, nicotine addicts, etc we tend to only blame the user. I see alcohol, nicotine, guns etc regulated heavily where I live. So yes, society does take those things seriously too. > Does your opinion hold, that we should also not "live and let live" with dysfunctional homeless alcoholics? Of course, if they create public nuisance.

broscillator 3y ago

Cars kill and maul people, destroy infrastructure, pollute the environment, definitely mess up public spaces.

RestlessMind 3y ago
Which is why cars are heavily regulated - there are tons of rules about who gets to drive one, how that license can be revoked, a full table of punishments if you break those rules, requirements to buy insurance etc. So you are also in favor of heavy regulation of drugs then?