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It makes you wonder if the aviation experts posting here, many of whom could not find their own ass without JavaScript automation, could understand a world wher

It makes you wonder if the aviation experts posting here, many of whom could not find their own ass without JavaScript automation, could understand a world where you have complex machinery (such as an airplane) controlled only by a trained operator (such as a pilot). It's for the same reason they don't allow just anyone to drive forklifts. It defies how we made it through the first hundred years of commercial aviation with pilots having to deal with more complex tasks than an "up/down" switch.

parl_match 3y ago
Hi! Please refer to this chart that shows the accidents/incident rates over time and their incredible trend towards zero! https://i.imgur.com/PVaPAdX.png https://i.imgur.com/PVaPAdX.png That didn't happen just by itself!
- wannacboatmovie 3y ago
  It has more to do with the introduction of Crew Resource Management than anything else, many airlines still fly 30 year old aircraft without fancy automation. Recall AF447 where the over-reliance on automation caused a tragedy when it failed and of course the MCAS debacle where the automation was directly implicated. There is room for a more nuanced answer here.
  - parl_match 3y ago
    > many airlines still fly 30 year old aircraft without fancy automation Those planes have been retrofitted over time or are in significantly decreasing use for passenger aircraft. Over reliance on automation is an issue, to be sure, but in the macro sense, it is one part of a significant downtrend in fatalities.
  - NooneAtAll3 3y ago
    are you sure that X years ago airlines didn't fly 30 year old aircraft as well? only those planes were 30 y/o *at the time*?
hindsightbias 3y ago
Given the general hostility on HN towards ATC, General Aviation, county airports and old planes you can safely presume all those future planes will be using autopilots only. Because we sure as hell won’t have any new humans qualified to operate the machinery. Just imagine that automated future. MCAS everywhere! We should start the debate now which language all that automation should be written.
- ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
  I haven't noticed this hostility. Where did you see it?
sebzim4500 3y ago
Are you using "aviation expert" sarcastically? Because the Allied Pilots Association is reportedly concerned about this and I think it's fair to say there are some aviation experts in that group.

parl_match 3y ago

Hi! Please refer to this chart that shows the accidents/incident rates over time and their incredible trend towards zero! https://i.imgur.com/PVaPAdX.png https://i.imgur.com/PVaPAdX.png That didn't happen just by itself!

wannacboatmovie 3y ago
It has more to do with the introduction of Crew Resource Management than anything else, many airlines still fly 30 year old aircraft without fancy automation. Recall AF447 where the over-reliance on automation caused a tragedy when it failed and of course the MCAS debacle where the automation was directly implicated. There is room for a more nuanced answer here.
- parl_match 3y ago
  > many airlines still fly 30 year old aircraft without fancy automation Those planes have been retrofitted over time or are in significantly decreasing use for passenger aircraft. Over reliance on automation is an issue, to be sure, but in the macro sense, it is one part of a significant downtrend in fatalities.
- NooneAtAll3 3y ago
  are you sure that X years ago airlines didn't fly 30 year old aircraft as well? only those planes were 30 y/o *at the time*?

hindsightbias 3y ago

Given the general hostility on HN towards ATC, General Aviation, county airports and old planes you can safely presume all those future planes will be using autopilots only. Because we sure as hell won’t have any new humans qualified to operate the machinery. Just imagine that automated future. MCAS everywhere! We should start the debate now which language all that automation should be written.

ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
I haven't noticed this hostility. Where did you see it?

sebzim4500 3y ago

Are you using "aviation expert" sarcastically? Because the Allied Pilots Association is reportedly concerned about this and I think it's fair to say there are some aviation experts in that group.