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> So doesn't seem like the Palestinians should be allowed to have their own government Why not? Isn't that an universal right? How are Sudanese or Lebanese bet

> So doesn't seem like the Palestinians should be allowed to have their own government Why not? Isn't that an universal right? How are Sudanese or Lebanese better than Palestineans in that regard? Your attention is worthless because it did not led Israel to implement two-state solution. What would you want? Retirement benefits?

Gibbon1 3y ago
I explained why not, because they elect terrorists to rule them. I'll add they regularly start wars that they then lose. Nobody else gets an endless amounts of do overs. And I think for them that needs to stop. They should get what every other group gets when they do stuff like what they did on Oct 7th. Your leaders get annihilated and you lose your sovereignty. Contrast with Lebanon where despite everything that have some form of practical government. Sudan where it is an internal civil war. I'll point out there was far more refugees in Sudan than Palestinians. And most of those unlike the Palestinians are blameless. By rights every dime we give to the Palestinians should go to them instead.
- johnnyworker 3y ago
  Human rights apply to all humans, as the individuals they are, not as members of a group you assign them to. "They" is doing a lot of work here. Who is "they"? Half of the population of Gaza are under the age of 15. "They" keep electing terrorists and keep starting wars. > They should get what every other group gets when they do stuff like what they did on Oct 7th. Again, "they". What other group? Name them. Name one. Outside of what the Nazis did and how they rationalized it. Outside of how terrorist groups rationalize and attempt to justify what they do. > This too does the for a totalitarian environment so well prepared vernacular express in its own way when it no longer speaks of "the" Russians or "the" French, but tells us what "the" Russian or "the" Frenchman wants. -- Hannah Arendt So cause the worst humanitarian crisis on the planet right now.. https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipcinfo-website/alerts-archive/issue-94/en/ https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipcinfo-website/alerts-archive/issue... .. blow up infrastructure and make fun of that... https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1731772261848264771 https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/17317722618482647... https://twitter.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1743296706576269446 https://twitter.com/ireallyhateyou/status/174329670657626944... https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1743411493813575711 https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1743411493813575711 .. and then "they" will... stop being radicalized into terrorism? And while you're at it, attack refugee camps in the West Bank? Because children who weren't even born in 2006 elected terrorists in Gaza, and enough is enough. Nonsense. And everybody know it is. > "In the context of de-legitimization - Hamas is an asset (for Israel) and the Palestinian Authority is a liability" -- Smotrich, https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1741196470399783296 https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1741196470399783296 > If we act strategically correctly, there will be immigration and we will live in the Gaza Strip. We will not allow a situation where 2 million people live there. If there are 100-200 thousand Arabs in Gaza, all the talk about the day after will be different. They want to leave, they have been living in the ghetto for 75 years and are in need" -- Smotrich, https://twitter.com/GLZRadio/status/1741347524693127398 https://twitter.com/GLZRadio/status/1741347524693127398 So if you keep electing people who are murdering civilians to commit ethnic cleansing to take over the land, or keep electing leaders that supply those other leaders with weapons to do that, and then, as an adult, go on a forum to re-iterate that you personally agree with it, that's fine. But kids in Gaza, they have to pay for what they did.
  - Gibbon1 3y ago
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    - johnnyworker 3y ago
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      - dang 3y ago
        You've been posting many dozens of comments about this and basically nothing about anything else for a long time now. That's not the intended use of HN. Also, you've continued to post in the flamewar style even after we asked you to stop doing that and had a considerable exchange about it. If you keep this up, we're going to have to ban your account—that's standard HN moderation practice and has been for many years: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... I understand that this topic is unusually important and also unusually distressing, but what your account is doing is not ok on HN; and that, btw, would be just as true if you were on the opposite side of the issue.
        johnnyworker 3y ago
        > You've been posting many dozens of comments about this and basically nothing about anything else for a long time now. A long time? A few comments in the last week. Do I owe you token comments on other subjects? I am reading, I just haven't seen anything I had anything to say about in the last week. This is the subject I currently am learning about. For example, on that Ultima thread, I wrote a long comment and then didn't post it because I am too sad and too appalled. I thought fuck this, IDF soldiers brag about bombing schools so kids can't become engineers, and I'm posting some derpy nostalgic anecdote? So? I don't owe you or anyone comments pretending everything is alright. What a weird, arbitrary criticism. So now, whenever I say anything about this subject, I'm out? Or is there a quota? I can only say as vaguely defined and as arbitrarily applied the terms you use are, it's just whatever. I tried my best, I refrained from personal attack and generally posted less than when you talked last to me, that's all I can do, if you want to ban me for not posting enough filler, just do it, it's fine. But when it's justified in this Kafkaesque way -- as "standard" as it may be -- I simply can't follow and can't care. > if you're relating to what the other person is saying, remaining respectful How did I not do that here? If someone brings up morality as an argument, and with this issue in general, morality is on the table. It's not a discussion about tabs vs. spaces.

Gibbon1 3y ago

I explained why not, because they elect terrorists to rule them. I'll add they regularly start wars that they then lose. Nobody else gets an endless amounts of do overs. And I think for them that needs to stop. They should get what every other group gets when they do stuff like what they did on Oct 7th. Your leaders get annihilated and you lose your sovereignty. Contrast with Lebanon where despite everything that have some form of practical government. Sudan where it is an internal civil war. I'll point out there was far more refugees in Sudan than Palestinians. And most of those unlike the Palestinians are blameless. By rights every dime we give to the Palestinians should go to them instead.

johnnyworker 3y ago
Human rights apply to all humans, as the individuals they are, not as members of a group you assign them to. "They" is doing a lot of work here. Who is "they"? Half of the population of Gaza are under the age of 15. "They" keep electing terrorists and keep starting wars. > They should get what every other group gets when they do stuff like what they did on Oct 7th. Again, "they". What other group? Name them. Name one. Outside of what the Nazis did and how they rationalized it. Outside of how terrorist groups rationalize and attempt to justify what they do. > This too does the for a totalitarian environment so well prepared vernacular express in its own way when it no longer speaks of "the" Russians or "the" French, but tells us what "the" Russian or "the" Frenchman wants. -- Hannah Arendt So cause the worst humanitarian crisis on the planet right now.. https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipcinfo-website/alerts-archive/issue-94/en/ https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipcinfo-website/alerts-archive/issue... .. blow up infrastructure and make fun of that... https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1731772261848264771 https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/17317722618482647... https://twitter.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1743296706576269446 https://twitter.com/ireallyhateyou/status/174329670657626944... https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1743411493813575711 https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1743411493813575711 .. and then "they" will... stop being radicalized into terrorism? And while you're at it, attack refugee camps in the West Bank? Because children who weren't even born in 2006 elected terrorists in Gaza, and enough is enough. Nonsense. And everybody know it is. > "In the context of de-legitimization - Hamas is an asset (for Israel) and the Palestinian Authority is a liability" -- Smotrich, https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1741196470399783296 https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1741196470399783296 > If we act strategically correctly, there will be immigration and we will live in the Gaza Strip. We will not allow a situation where 2 million people live there. If there are 100-200 thousand Arabs in Gaza, all the talk about the day after will be different. They want to leave, they have been living in the ghetto for 75 years and are in need" -- Smotrich, https://twitter.com/GLZRadio/status/1741347524693127398 https://twitter.com/GLZRadio/status/1741347524693127398 So if you keep electing people who are murdering civilians to commit ethnic cleansing to take over the land, or keep electing leaders that supply those other leaders with weapons to do that, and then, as an adult, go on a forum to re-iterate that you personally agree with it, that's fine. But kids in Gaza, they have to pay for what they did.
- Gibbon1 3y ago
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  - johnnyworker 3y ago
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    - dang 3y ago
      You've been posting many dozens of comments about this and basically nothing about anything else for a long time now. That's not the intended use of HN. Also, you've continued to post in the flamewar style even after we asked you to stop doing that and had a considerable exchange about it. If you keep this up, we're going to have to ban your account—that's standard HN moderation practice and has been for many years: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... I understand that this topic is unusually important and also unusually distressing, but what your account is doing is not ok on HN; and that, btw, would be just as true if you were on the opposite side of the issue.
      - johnnyworker 3y ago
        > You've been posting many dozens of comments about this and basically nothing about anything else for a long time now. A long time? A few comments in the last week. Do I owe you token comments on other subjects? I am reading, I just haven't seen anything I had anything to say about in the last week. This is the subject I currently am learning about. For example, on that Ultima thread, I wrote a long comment and then didn't post it because I am too sad and too appalled. I thought fuck this, IDF soldiers brag about bombing schools so kids can't become engineers, and I'm posting some derpy nostalgic anecdote? So? I don't owe you or anyone comments pretending everything is alright. What a weird, arbitrary criticism. So now, whenever I say anything about this subject, I'm out? Or is there a quota? I can only say as vaguely defined and as arbitrarily applied the terms you use are, it's just whatever. I tried my best, I refrained from personal attack and generally posted less than when you talked last to me, that's all I can do, if you want to ban me for not posting enough filler, just do it, it's fine. But when it's justified in this Kafkaesque way -- as "standard" as it may be -- I simply can't follow and can't care. > if you're relating to what the other person is saying, remaining respectful How did I not do that here? If someone brings up morality as an argument, and with this issue in general, morality is on the table. It's not a discussion about tabs vs. spaces.