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Names like Chomsky, Assange, Snowden pop first to my mind. Or someone like Navalny in Russia or Mandela in South Africa. Scientists like Dyson or Bohr could g

Names like Chomsky, Assange, Snowden pop first to my mind. Or someone like Navalny in Russia or Mandela in South Africa. Scientists like Dyson or Bohr could go under that rubric as well. And of course, many artists are bona fide cognitive dissidents. The list goes on...

pixl97 3y ago
>cognitive dissidents Heh, I love the term, and am surprised on how little it's used based on Google searches for the term. Also, how many people misuse dissidents instead of dissonance mistakenly.
dingnuts 3y ago
Chomsky is a tenured professor in the Ivory Tower -- how on -earth- does he classify as a dissident? If anything, Chomsky represents the dominant ideology in academia in America. Maybe he was a dissident sixty years ago, when he was relevant?
- celticninja 3y ago
  And as with all of these things they ebb and flow. I would challenge you on the point that he represents a dominant ideology any longer, he may have once and he may still have adherents but he is not as instrumental as he once was. So perhaps he started a dissident and will end as one too, but for different reasons.
- emodendroket 3y ago
  A good hint your ideology is not “dominant” is you spend a great deal of time decrying what the government does and it carries on while ignoring or ridiculing your criticisms. For that matter, how can he both represent a dominant strain of thought and also be irrelevant?
  - throwlejos 3y ago
    Because this “strain of thought” only disagrees with the government on non-issues. They align pretty well on the questions of property, rights, freedom, etc.
    - emodendroket 3y ago
      Perhaps people living in countries who have been the subject of U.S. interventions might not see them as nonissues.
kingofpandora 3y ago
I guess Navalny is a dissident but, man, seeing his name next to Mandela is jarring considering his views.
- eru 3y ago
  Navalny has some pretty ugly views, but I guess Mandela just never got the chance to implement Marxism or his version of socialism. That also has a habit of turning ugly as soon as it comes in contact with reality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela#Socialism_and_Marxism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela#Socialism_and_M...

pixl97 3y ago

>cognitive dissidents Heh, I love the term, and am surprised on how little it's used based on Google searches for the term. Also, how many people misuse dissidents instead of dissonance mistakenly.

dingnuts 3y ago

Chomsky is a tenured professor in the Ivory Tower -- how on -earth- does he classify as a dissident? If anything, Chomsky represents the dominant ideology in academia in America. Maybe he was a dissident sixty years ago, when he was relevant?

celticninja 3y ago
And as with all of these things they ebb and flow. I would challenge you on the point that he represents a dominant ideology any longer, he may have once and he may still have adherents but he is not as instrumental as he once was. So perhaps he started a dissident and will end as one too, but for different reasons.
emodendroket 3y ago
A good hint your ideology is not “dominant” is you spend a great deal of time decrying what the government does and it carries on while ignoring or ridiculing your criticisms. For that matter, how can he both represent a dominant strain of thought and also be irrelevant?
- throwlejos 3y ago
  Because this “strain of thought” only disagrees with the government on non-issues. They align pretty well on the questions of property, rights, freedom, etc.
  - emodendroket 3y ago
    Perhaps people living in countries who have been the subject of U.S. interventions might not see them as nonissues.

kingofpandora 3y ago

I guess Navalny is a dissident but, man, seeing his name next to Mandela is jarring considering his views.

eru 3y ago
Navalny has some pretty ugly views, but I guess Mandela just never got the chance to implement Marxism or his version of socialism. That also has a habit of turning ugly as soon as it comes in contact with reality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela#Socialism_and_Marxism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela#Socialism_and_M...