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His two proposed explanations are laughably reductive

whatshisface 3y ago
Using a place of refuge as the US' too-dirty-for-the-CIA instrument of deniable espionage, for going on 50 years now, has created a lot of ties the public is totally ignorant of and the rest of the world blames Israel for. If there is one thing to take away from the existence of the "Israeli foreign lobby" conspiracy theory it is that public ignorance of international relationships leads to impactful confusions as people seek to explain what is advertised by the mainstream in terms of ideas advertised by extremists rather than facts that have not been advertised at all.
- zozbot234 3y ago
  That "too dirty for the CIA [sic]" country is still the freest and most highly developed of the entire Middle East, and that's without the fossil resource-based economy that many Arab countries have. It's not a dirty place, it's a shining city on the hill that's been hated so much because of how it puts everywhere else to shame.
  - whatshisface 3y ago
    The country isn't what's dirty, it's what they have been doing at the behest of the united states all around the world that's "too dirty for the CIA," in the sense that tasks are offloaded to their intelligence services as a way of distancing the CIA from those tasks. That is why Israel and the US are such strong allies despite there not really having been much of a war. The people who say Israel is getting anything "for free" are ignorant of the heavy ethical price Israel pays through its singular intelligence services for its unique relationship.
  - Fervicus 3y ago
    What do you think has made it a highly developed shining city on the hill? Something to think about.
    - zozbot234 3y ago
      What has made South Korea a thriving economy whilst North Korea remains one of the poorest and most oppressive places in the world? Same answer right there.
  - text0404 3y ago
    > That "too dirty for the CIA [sic]" country is still the freest and most highly developed of the entire Middle East yeah, if you ignore apartheid against 5 million Palestinians. sudan is also the freest and most highly developed nation in africa if you ignore the violence and economy and status as a failed state.

Using a place of refuge as the US' too-dirty-for-the-CIA instrument of deniable espionage, for going on 50 years now, has created a lot of ties the public is totally ignorant of and the rest of the world blames Israel for. If there is one thing to take away from the existence of the "Israeli foreign lobby" conspiracy theory it is that public ignorance of international relationships leads to impactful confusions as people seek to explain what is advertised by the mainstream in terms of ideas advertised by extremists rather than facts that have not been advertised at all.

zozbot234 3y ago
That "too dirty for the CIA [sic]" country is still the freest and most highly developed of the entire Middle East, and that's without the fossil resource-based economy that many Arab countries have. It's not a dirty place, it's a shining city on the hill that's been hated so much because of how it puts everywhere else to shame.
- whatshisface 3y ago
  The country isn't what's dirty, it's what they have been doing at the behest of the united states all around the world that's "too dirty for the CIA," in the sense that tasks are offloaded to their intelligence services as a way of distancing the CIA from those tasks. That is why Israel and the US are such strong allies despite there not really having been much of a war. The people who say Israel is getting anything "for free" are ignorant of the heavy ethical price Israel pays through its singular intelligence services for its unique relationship.
- Fervicus 3y ago
  What do you think has made it a highly developed shining city on the hill? Something to think about.
  - zozbot234 3y ago
    What has made South Korea a thriving economy whilst North Korea remains one of the poorest and most oppressive places in the world? Same answer right there.
- text0404 3y ago
  > That "too dirty for the CIA [sic]" country is still the freest and most highly developed of the entire Middle East yeah, if you ignore apartheid against 5 million Palestinians. sudan is also the freest and most highly developed nation in africa if you ignore the violence and economy and status as a failed state.