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> But the older I get the more I’m on the side of this stuff isn’t necessary. It is detrimental to society and if someone wants to do drugs they should honestly

> But the older I get the more I’m on the side of this stuff isn’t necessary. It is detrimental to society and if someone wants to do drugs they should honestly reconsider their life and do something productive. How would you feel if someone said this about an activity that you personally value and enjoy? Would you willingly give that activity up, just because some other people don't personally value it? Why do you feel the need to control the activities of others, when those activities do not encumber your ability to live your life?

thatguy0900 3y ago
The kinds of drugs drones are flying over to the US easily can encumbere your way of life. I take it you've never had to navigate past meth heads or crack addicts on your daily walks.
- throwaday8383 3y ago
  I have. Live in Philadelphia near one of the worst open air heroin markets. While I empathize with people having to deal with such a mess, I do all the time, I still would not want to persecute them. That is a slippery slope. Am I also awful because I partake occasionally? I think not. Neither are all my friends who are professionals that pay taxes and bother no one.
- mrshadowgoose 3y ago
  Briefly, but yes, I've experienced that. My reaction was "our social support systems really suck" and not "we need to restrict how people choose to live their lives".
lgkk 3y ago
You really think someone shooting up heroin or fentanyl and someone going rock climbing or playing jazz are the same thing? Why the insanely unrelated analogies? I specifically said drugs, like the kind you see when you pass any alley near Civic Center or downtown SF with dozens of people just laying there and drug dealers with backpacks walking around. Is that a sign of a good society? Those people don’t want help and they sure as hell aren’t engaging in anything productive like building software, buildings, or offering any services on Taskrabbit.. yes it’s sad but there’s also a balance and line between what’s acceptable and not for a functioning society. This is a minority % wise of society (don’t want help, aren’t interested in getting clean) and they cause a disproportionate level of destruction. The problem is drugs and people are willing to do whatever it takes across the drug supply chain to keep it operating. Btw you need to be productive in order to afford rock climbing or skiing or even gaming on a pc… Unbelievable.
- mrshadowgoose 3y ago
  It would be nice if you actually answered the questions that were posed. Instead, you just once again reiterated that you don't approve of how other people choose to spend their time.
  - lgkk 3y ago
    I gave you an answer. Literally picked a couple things I like (pc gaming and rock climbing) which require me to maintain health insurance and a good financial status so I can buy a 4090 and whatever to play some games. I have to be productive to enjoy those things. That’s not even what we are talking about, and I don’t understand why you conflate those with cartels who behead and dismember people and people who just disturb the peace or attack people while on hard drugs. And yeah I guess I don’t approve seeing people destroy my city with drugs and violence. I’m paying more than half of my annual personal income in taxes, and what I have to do is to avoid certain areas of my city at night because it’s not safe and not a nice sight with people self harming themselves voluntarily and on purpose.
    - mrshadowgoose 3y ago
      Ok. So let's consider PC gaming. There are many people out there who consider that activity to be harmful, and to not be a productive use of one's time. So....are you going to give up gaming? > And yeah I guess I don’t approve seeing people destroy my city with drugs and violence. Sounds like your actual problem is with violence, have you considered advocating for better policing against that?
      - lgkk 3y ago
        Am I going to give someone a disease if I leave a needle out? Am I going to start attacking people who are just drinking coffee while having a business meeting (literally happened to me, dude ran at me and pushed me and then ran away while screaming)? I really don’t understand how you don’t get that being high on certain drugs and being really harmful to other people is comparable to a video game addict who at worst would just stay in their room and smell bad? Are you trolling? Anyway I said my piece above, I guess people like you and me will always contend with each other because I guess some people are okay and maybe want to see more of the current situation in tenderloin, civic center, etc. Cheers!

thatguy0900 3y ago

The kinds of drugs drones are flying over to the US easily can encumbere your way of life. I take it you've never had to navigate past meth heads or crack addicts on your daily walks.

throwaday8383 3y ago
I have. Live in Philadelphia near one of the worst open air heroin markets. While I empathize with people having to deal with such a mess, I do all the time, I still would not want to persecute them. That is a slippery slope. Am I also awful because I partake occasionally? I think not. Neither are all my friends who are professionals that pay taxes and bother no one.
mrshadowgoose 3y ago
Briefly, but yes, I've experienced that. My reaction was "our social support systems really suck" and not "we need to restrict how people choose to live their lives".

lgkk 3y ago

You really think someone shooting up heroin or fentanyl and someone going rock climbing or playing jazz are the same thing? Why the insanely unrelated analogies? I specifically said drugs, like the kind you see when you pass any alley near Civic Center or downtown SF with dozens of people just laying there and drug dealers with backpacks walking around. Is that a sign of a good society? Those people don’t want help and they sure as hell aren’t engaging in anything productive like building software, buildings, or offering any services on Taskrabbit.. yes it’s sad but there’s also a balance and line between what’s acceptable and not for a functioning society. This is a minority % wise of society (don’t want help, aren’t interested in getting clean) and they cause a disproportionate level of destruction. The problem is drugs and people are willing to do whatever it takes across the drug supply chain to keep it operating. Btw you need to be productive in order to afford rock climbing or skiing or even gaming on a pc… Unbelievable.

mrshadowgoose 3y ago
It would be nice if you actually answered the questions that were posed. Instead, you just once again reiterated that you don't approve of how other people choose to spend their time.
- lgkk 3y ago
  I gave you an answer. Literally picked a couple things I like (pc gaming and rock climbing) which require me to maintain health insurance and a good financial status so I can buy a 4090 and whatever to play some games. I have to be productive to enjoy those things. That’s not even what we are talking about, and I don’t understand why you conflate those with cartels who behead and dismember people and people who just disturb the peace or attack people while on hard drugs. And yeah I guess I don’t approve seeing people destroy my city with drugs and violence. I’m paying more than half of my annual personal income in taxes, and what I have to do is to avoid certain areas of my city at night because it’s not safe and not a nice sight with people self harming themselves voluntarily and on purpose.
  - mrshadowgoose 3y ago
    Ok. So let's consider PC gaming. There are many people out there who consider that activity to be harmful, and to not be a productive use of one's time. So....are you going to give up gaming? > And yeah I guess I don’t approve seeing people destroy my city with drugs and violence. Sounds like your actual problem is with violence, have you considered advocating for better policing against that?
    - lgkk 3y ago
      Am I going to give someone a disease if I leave a needle out? Am I going to start attacking people who are just drinking coffee while having a business meeting (literally happened to me, dude ran at me and pushed me and then ran away while screaming)? I really don’t understand how you don’t get that being high on certain drugs and being really harmful to other people is comparable to a video game addict who at worst would just stay in their room and smell bad? Are you trolling? Anyway I said my piece above, I guess people like you and me will always contend with each other because I guess some people are okay and maybe want to see more of the current situation in tenderloin, civic center, etc. Cheers!