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> It's very literally not hurting you, your business, or the economy It literally hurts me to see people destroying themselves with drugs. I think the duty of

> It's very literally not hurting you, your business, or the economy It literally hurts me to see people destroying themselves with drugs. I think the duty of a homeless person to change anything in order to sooth my hurts is exactly equal to zero. But that doesn't make the hurt not exist. And yeah, I avoid businesses in areas where I want to avoid that hurt, and I'm not alone in that. And yeah, when you destroy yourself with drugs you're subtracting epsilon from the GNP, so it effects the economy. So that's three lies in one sentence. I support your right to destroy yourself and hate it when you do that.

babyshake 3y ago
Ask retail business owners in downtown San Francisco whether their business is hurt by drug use in the area. I'd guess over 95% would say it definitely does. Also at least in some small ways it does hurt their customers. Just yesterday I had a lot of trouble finding a local business that would allow me to use a restroom, even if I was a paying customer. They didn't have to explain the reason.
- r2_pilot 3y ago
  Drug use in my area does not affect most(all?) businesses. I use commercial bathrooms all over where I live, too, and they're not even so much as locked. There's your counter-anecdata.
  - xienze 3y ago
    Where do you live? You may think your area has a drug problem, but it’s probably not on the level of these large west coast cities.
ofcourseyoudo 3y ago
>It literally hurts me to see people destroying themselves with drugs. It's a bit of a trap to build society around this, though. It hurts Christians to see people living a homosexual lifestyle (destroying themselves with sin). It hurts anti-miscegenists to see biracial marriages (destroying themselves through corruption). Et cetera.
- atticora 3y ago
  Strong agree. Which is why my emotional hurt should create no obligation from the homeless or anyone else. But it's still real even if we choose not to act on it, and it still changes behavior with economic consequences.
ksjskskskkk 3y ago
high rent and car centric cities does worse for all the metrics you mentioned, so you're wrong on all accounts of your hot take

babyshake 3y ago

Ask retail business owners in downtown San Francisco whether their business is hurt by drug use in the area. I'd guess over 95% would say it definitely does. Also at least in some small ways it does hurt their customers. Just yesterday I had a lot of trouble finding a local business that would allow me to use a restroom, even if I was a paying customer. They didn't have to explain the reason.

r2_pilot 3y ago
Drug use in my area does not affect most(all?) businesses. I use commercial bathrooms all over where I live, too, and they're not even so much as locked. There's your counter-anecdata.
- xienze 3y ago
  Where do you live? You may think your area has a drug problem, but it’s probably not on the level of these large west coast cities.

ofcourseyoudo 3y ago

>It literally hurts me to see people destroying themselves with drugs. It's a bit of a trap to build society around this, though. It hurts Christians to see people living a homosexual lifestyle (destroying themselves with sin). It hurts anti-miscegenists to see biracial marriages (destroying themselves through corruption). Et cetera.

atticora 3y ago
Strong agree. Which is why my emotional hurt should create no obligation from the homeless or anyone else. But it's still real even if we choose not to act on it, and it still changes behavior with economic consequences.

ksjskskskkk 3y ago

high rent and car centric cities does worse for all the metrics you mentioned, so you're wrong on all accounts of your hot take