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Translation: Someone at Microsoft is already getting very, very worried about the return on all this investment they've put into generative AI.

atleastoptimal 3y ago
Even with dozens of silly integrations like this they'll still make their investment back handily
tester756 3y ago
I disagree, as I see there's huge momentum to push AI onto edge like "AI PC" initiative between SW & HW companies
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- bunderbunder 3y ago
  Even if generative AI does see huge uptake, that does not guarantee that Microsoft's implementation is the one that everyone uses. And, even if Microsoft's is the one that everyone uses, that does not guarantee that they make money of of it. For further examples of money-losing products that changed the world, see the entire history of our crazy industry.
myself248 3y ago
And they have no useful levers to pull, so they invent a useless one and yank it as hard as they can. We all know exactly what's causing this, and we all know exactly how it'll turn out. How do we collectively tell them to knock it off? The industry needs some mechanism to stage an intervention, perhaps once they've cooled down a little from their present mania.
- user_7832 3y ago
  > How do we collectively tell them to knock it off The “easiest” might be an antitrust suit. Forcing or bundling (or apparently advertising) one product with another runs afoul of anti-bundling laws, and there’s an argument to be made for windows and openAI/copilot to both be monopolies. Now, who has a dozens of millions lying around to fund such a suit?
- nickfromseattle 3y ago
  >And they have no useful levers to pull, so they invent a useless one and yank it as hard as they can. From my understanding, Bing hasn't stolen any marketshare from Google since integrating ChatGPT. I think this could. Pressing a key is easier than typing in Google.
  - myself248 3y ago
    If I wanted a keyboard with an "internet button", I could buy one, all the way back to the beige era. I don't.
WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
Microsoft's goal is to have copilot present and monitoring everywhere you input data & interact with Windows (CP is always ready to help!) This will provide an unprecedented layer telemetry gathering for Microsoft, including personal and sensitive data that wasn't as reliably available before. Achieving one of the Gold Rings of surveillance is a powerful motivator.
- altairprime 3y ago
  Whatever harvesting your specific personal creative written output for profit without compensation is called, that’s not telemetry. Telemetry is usage statistics. This is bulk theft of your copyrighted works at scale.
  - rjbwork 3y ago
    I don't relaly disagree with the sentiment that it is vvery unsavory, buuuttt to play devil's advocate: 1) copyright infringement is not theft 2) ai training is probably going to be rendered fair use
    - anticensor 3y ago
      > ai training is probably going to be rendered fair use More like an explicitly enumerated exception.
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atleastoptimal 3y ago

Even with dozens of silly integrations like this they'll still make their investment back handily

tester756 3y ago

I disagree, as I see there's huge momentum to push AI onto edge like "AI PC" initiative between SW & HW companies

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bunderbunder 3y ago
Even if generative AI does see huge uptake, that does not guarantee that Microsoft's implementation is the one that everyone uses. And, even if Microsoft's is the one that everyone uses, that does not guarantee that they make money of of it. For further examples of money-losing products that changed the world, see the entire history of our crazy industry.

myself248 3y ago

And they have no useful levers to pull, so they invent a useless one and yank it as hard as they can. We all know exactly what's causing this, and we all know exactly how it'll turn out. How do we collectively tell them to knock it off? The industry needs some mechanism to stage an intervention, perhaps once they've cooled down a little from their present mania.

user_7832 3y ago
> How do we collectively tell them to knock it off The “easiest” might be an antitrust suit. Forcing or bundling (or apparently advertising) one product with another runs afoul of anti-bundling laws, and there’s an argument to be made for windows and openAI/copilot to both be monopolies. Now, who has a dozens of millions lying around to fund such a suit?
nickfromseattle 3y ago
>And they have no useful levers to pull, so they invent a useless one and yank it as hard as they can. From my understanding, Bing hasn't stolen any marketshare from Google since integrating ChatGPT. I think this could. Pressing a key is easier than typing in Google.
- myself248 3y ago
  If I wanted a keyboard with an "internet button", I could buy one, all the way back to the beige era. I don't.

WarOnPrivacy 3y ago

Microsoft's goal is to have copilot present and monitoring everywhere you input data & interact with Windows (CP is always ready to help!) This will provide an unprecedented layer telemetry gathering for Microsoft, including personal and sensitive data that wasn't as reliably available before. Achieving one of the Gold Rings of surveillance is a powerful motivator.

altairprime 3y ago
Whatever harvesting your specific personal creative written output for profit without compensation is called, that’s not telemetry. Telemetry is usage statistics. This is bulk theft of your copyrighted works at scale.
- rjbwork 3y ago
  I don't relaly disagree with the sentiment that it is vvery unsavory, buuuttt to play devil's advocate: 1) copyright infringement is not theft 2) ai training is probably going to be rendered fair use
  - anticensor 3y ago
    > ai training is probably going to be rendered fair use More like an explicitly enumerated exception.
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