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Also they added a Cortana key a few years ago. It must be in the press release because other media sites are reporting the same thing. Also Microsoft did not i

Also they added a Cortana key a few years ago. It must be in the press release because other media sites are reporting the same thing. Also Microsoft did not invent the Super/Meta key aka Windows key.

ziddoap 3y ago
As mentioned elsewhere, this key will be required as a part of the standard Windows keyboard layout. This is not true of other recent keys (emoji, office, etc.).
- righthand 3y ago
  Apparently they didn’t push the Cortana key either. And they say it will “eventually” be required. As a keyboard manufacturer why would I listen to Microsoft? Why would I add a key that supports a product I see no benefit from? Just so I can trend even though my customers don’t want it? I ask because this makes the “Microsoft is going to require it so the other keys don’t count” argument useless. Who cares what Microsoft requires for their own hardware?
  - HWR_14 3y ago
    > As a keyboard manufacturer why would I listen to Microsoft? Why would I add a key that supports a product I see no benefit from? As a keyboard manufacturer, you don't have to see any benefit from the product you support. The question is only will the incremental costs be more than offset by the incremental gains in sales. If MS requires the key, that's 90% of the market (really rough number), so it makes sense to add it. If MS and your competitors add it, it may make a significant percent of your customers go elsewhere. Even if they don't want the key, just because they think your keyboards are old.
    - righthand 3y ago
      Ah so aggressive keyboard trendsetters control the market then. It’s more likely that these keyboards will be a rarity. And when people see a keyboard with this key in a few years they’ll think, “what a weird old keyboard you have”.
hulitu 3y ago
> Also Microsoft did not invent the Super/Meta key aka Windows key AFAIK the Windows key generates a CTRL + ESC - so not a modifier key like Super/Meta.
- ElectricalUnion 3y ago
  This doesn't seem to match what I sparsely remember about USB HID; At least on my computers I remember Super generating SUPER_L (wayland) or VK_LWIN (w32) - E0 5B scancodes. At least on Linux you can have bindings CTRL + ESC and SUPER_L be different things if you want.
  - pests 3y ago
    This does seem to work and is news to me. Windows 11, Leveno laptop. Control+ESC does in fact open the start menu. But none of the other windows key shortcuts work - control+ESC+D did not bring me to desktop, but bookmarked current page in the browser I had open. So maybe not so cut and dry.

ziddoap 3y ago

As mentioned elsewhere, this key will be required as a part of the standard Windows keyboard layout. This is not true of other recent keys (emoji, office, etc.).

righthand 3y ago
Apparently they didn’t push the Cortana key either. And they say it will “eventually” be required. As a keyboard manufacturer why would I listen to Microsoft? Why would I add a key that supports a product I see no benefit from? Just so I can trend even though my customers don’t want it? I ask because this makes the “Microsoft is going to require it so the other keys don’t count” argument useless. Who cares what Microsoft requires for their own hardware?
- HWR_14 3y ago
  > As a keyboard manufacturer why would I listen to Microsoft? Why would I add a key that supports a product I see no benefit from? As a keyboard manufacturer, you don't have to see any benefit from the product you support. The question is only will the incremental costs be more than offset by the incremental gains in sales. If MS requires the key, that's 90% of the market (really rough number), so it makes sense to add it. If MS and your competitors add it, it may make a significant percent of your customers go elsewhere. Even if they don't want the key, just because they think your keyboards are old.
  - righthand 3y ago
    Ah so aggressive keyboard trendsetters control the market then. It’s more likely that these keyboards will be a rarity. And when people see a keyboard with this key in a few years they’ll think, “what a weird old keyboard you have”.

hulitu 3y ago

> Also Microsoft did not invent the Super/Meta key aka Windows key AFAIK the Windows key generates a CTRL + ESC - so not a modifier key like Super/Meta.

ElectricalUnion 3y ago
This doesn't seem to match what I sparsely remember about USB HID; At least on my computers I remember Super generating SUPER_L (wayland) or VK_LWIN (w32) - E0 5B scancodes. At least on Linux you can have bindings CTRL + ESC and SUPER_L be different things if you want.
- pests 3y ago
  This does seem to work and is news to me. Windows 11, Leveno laptop. Control+ESC does in fact open the start menu. But none of the other windows key shortcuts work - control+ESC+D did not bring me to desktop, but bookmarked current page in the browser I had open. So maybe not so cut and dry.